Saturday, April 21, 2012

DOMINICAN, FRANCISCAN FRIARS OF THE IMMACULATE AND DIOCESAN PRIESTS NEGATE POPE BENEDICT’S OVERSIGHT AND THAT OF THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH


The pope could correct the oversight if someone asks him if we really know personal cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and the baptsm of desire.

Catholic priests in Rome have corrected an ovesight of Pope Benedict XVI and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF). An error, the priests themself could have made unknowingly.

The Catholic priests, most of whom offer the Novus Ordo Mass, confirm that we do not know a single case of somone saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience etc (L G 16). This is y known only to God.

This error has been made by Pope Benedict XVI in Light of the World p.107 and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the International Theological Commission  (ITC),Vatican published papers, available on the ITC website.

It was based on this error that they assumed that Vatican Council II and Pope Pius XII contradicted the ancient teaching on exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church.This error was also the basis for speculation on Limbo.

This same false assumption, of visible baptism of desire and personally known cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance, is made by the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) and on this basis they refute the liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II on ecumenism and inter religious dialogue.It is also the cause of confusion on the issue of religious liberty.

The SSPX is making a doctrinal error in assuming that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Magisterial documents mention invincible ignorance etc but none claim that they are explicit exceptions to the dogma or are known to us personally.

This objective,factual error,of physically, in realilty knowing  persons saved with the baptism of desire etc is the cause of much dissent and liberalism in the Catholic Church.

No bishop or cardinal would disagree with the pope if he corrected the error by announcing ‘Only God alone knows who is saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience and the baptism of desire. We do not know these cases personally’. This is a statement we could all agree upon. It is not controversial.No one could disagree.

With baptism of desire and invincible ignorance ''out of the way' the pope would be saying not only that Jesus is the only Saviour but Jesus is the only Saviour and all adults need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (to avoid Hell) (AG 7).Jesus is the only Savious and the Church is necessary for salvation. All need to enter the Church for salvation. If there are those saved through Jesus and the Church and who are not visible to us they do not contradict the centuries old interpretation of the dogma which says all need to convert into the Church. Once cannot choose to convert into the Church with the baptism of desire.

By saying that we accept the baptism of desire etc as possibilities but do not assume that they are defacto exceptions to the defined dogma the pope  would precisely express a truth already known in the Catholic Church; in Vatican Council II and Vatican Council I, all the Catechisms of the Catholic Church including the present one..-Lionel Andrades

CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF

DOMINICAN PRIESTS IN ROME SAY WE DO NOT KNOW ANYONE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ETC: CONTRADICT EWTN

Practically everyone needs the baptism of water for salvation while in theory a person can be saved with the baptism of desire - Rector, Church Santa Maria Annunziata, Rome

ARCHBISHOP RAYMOND BURKE, FRANCISCANS OF THE IMMACULATE AFFIRM DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

THERE IS NO DE FACTO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE KNOW OF-Fr. Masimilliano dei Gaspari F. I
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/05/there-is-no-de-facto-baptism-of-desire.html#links

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Bishop Charles Morerod O.P Oath of Fidelity: to dissent

Profession of Faith allows for dissent on ecclesiology and baptism
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-bishop-charles.html