Tridentine Rite Mass prohibited in central Rome.

The Tridentine Rite Mass has been prohibited in central Rome. There was no Latin Mass offered this morning at 11.30 at the church San Giuseppe a Capo le Case. Mass here was offered over some last 10 years, initially by the late Mons. Ignacio Barriero.

It is learnt that the Mass in the Extraordinary Form which was regularly attended by about 20 or more Catholics and offered by Fr. Marco Hausmann, an Austrian priest,  will no more be allowed in the church as has been ordered by the auxiliary bishop of Rome.An FSSP priest would also offer the Latin Mass here.

The Auxiliary bishop of Rome who is also the new Secretary of the Rome Vicariate is Mons.Gianrico Ruzza.  

I do not regularly attend the Latin Mass however for some reason I felt the need to go for Mass here today  and was told that the Latin Mass has been disallowed there as per orders of the bishop.The church was empty and every one knew it, except for me.So no one showed up.

I am often passing by this church and I enter a few minutes. I was present to hear  the sermon of the priest on the feast of St.Peter and St. Paul. I was also present last Sunday as every one was gathering there in preparation for the Latin Mass.

The Latin Mass here is attended mostly by members of the Militia Christi.

The Tridentine Rite Mass here like the SSPX Mass in central Rome, near the Cavour Metro Station,is monitored  by the police. Many of them are Muslims. Also Muslims not associated with the police are there in the churches in central Rome, including this one.There are those who want to enforce Sharia Laws on Christians and non Christians, and they make their presence felt.

At times they directly make their demands and call for the ostracization of some Catholics.

I would be persona non grata for many of them since I believe Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) says all need faith and baptism for salvation and hypothetical and unknown cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not practical and objective exceptions to AG 7, LG 14.

They would also not want me to speak to Fr. Hausmann and would also caution him.

The members of the Militia Christi affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as it was known to the popes over the centuries but they interpret Vatican Council II with LG 8 etc referring to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. So LG 8 would conflict with the dogma EENS. So like Mons. Barrieiro they would reject this irrational interpretation of the Council, which is the only one they know.

There is no announcement on the Militia Christi or Rome Vicariato website, for this abrupt action.-Lionel Andrades

All the non Catholics in the Amazon are oriented to Hell with no known exception to us human beings, since this is the dogmatic teaching of the Church(EENS) and it is supported by Vatican Council II , when it is rationally interpreted.

All the non Catholics in the Amazon are oriented to Hell with no known exception to us human beings,  since this is the dogmatic teaching of the Church(EENS) and it is supported by Vatican Council II , when it is rationally-interpreted.

Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) as opposed to Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) supports an exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.It does not state that hypothetical cases of being saved in invincible ignorance are objective exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). If it did state this it would be an objective error.

We cannot meet or see any one saved in invincible ignorance in the Amazon.

We cannot say that there is any particular person in the Amazon who will die outside the Church in invincible ignorance.

The norm for salvation is faith and baptism in the Catholic Church(Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II). The norm is not invincible ignorance(I.I), the baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved with the baptism of desire(BOD).

So we know that in general all in the Amazon, who are not members of the Catholic Church with faith and baptism, are oriented to Hell and they are there today.

We cannot say that any particular person in the Amazon will be saved with a last momemt repentance. The norm for salvation is faith and baptism it is not a theoretical last minute repentance which results into salvation,known to us.

So when I meet a non Catholic in the Amazon I know he is oriented to Hell where is immediate ancestors also are.

I can say that they are in Hell since the Church says in Vatican Council II ( AG 7,LG 14), the Church Councils with interpreted EENS, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc.

So this is not just a personal view. However to suggest that any one in particular or Amazoninans in general are exceptions is some one's particular opinion.

Vatican Council II tells us that most people are in Hell today since they die without faith and baptism which is necessary for salvation.The Council II saying that you are either baptized with water(AG 7, LG 14) or there is damnation(AG 7, LG 14).The Council is saying extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Amazonians are outside the Catholic Church today.

For Ann Barnhardt being saved in invincible ignorance is a possibility known to God and so she does not out right say that all the non Catholics in the Amazon are on the way to Hell. All. 

She cannot also say that all the non Catholic Amazonians who have died are also there in Hell.

In her mind theoretical cases are objective exceptions to EENS in the present times (1965-2019).

This is Cushingism. This was the understanding of Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits at the time of Vatican Council II.

So with a Cushingite way of thinking, for her, all the natives in the Americas before Columbus went there, would not be condemned, since they died without faith and the baptism of water.They were saved in invincible ignorance in general or some other factor.

She reads Vatican Council II superficially and irrationally, like Cushingites at the Vatican and the Lefbvrists.

If it is technically possible to be saved in invincible ignorance in the Amazon or the North American continent in the 16th century, it is also technically possible that there was no one saved as such. If there were technically 20 cases of the baptism of desire last year then technically there could also be not a single one. A possibility is meaningless for us human beings. We cannot postulate a possibility as being an exception or relevant to EENS.

So Ann Barnhardt and Super Nerd in their latest podcast cannot out rightly say that all the Amazonians need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell and they are all oriented to Hell without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).She is a liberal on this point.

The popes over the centuries, before Pius XII, interpreted BOD, BOB and I.I as theoretical and hypothetical cases only. They could not be anything else. This is something obvious, and it is not just my personal view.For them unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, were not personally known people saved outside the Catholic Church.-Lionel Andrades

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Catholics in the parish closed down by Bishop Steven J.Lopes must note that he interprets unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as being known exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or EENS, as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium in the 16th century. He will not recant.

Catholics in the parish closed down by Bishop Steven J.Lopes must note  that he interprets unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as being known exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or EENS, as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium in the 16th century.So there is 'known salvation' outside the Church for him.He will not recant.He expects Fr. Vaughn Treco and all parishioners  to interpret Vatican Council II in the same irrational way, to create a rupture with de fide teachings of the Church.He wants Fr. Vaughn Treco and all of you to recant by rejecting de fide teachings of the Church like outside the Church there is no salvation.

He wants all of you to recant the traditional and rational interpretation of BOD, BOD,BOB and I.I  and EENS.

He wants all the parishioners to recant the traditional interpretation of the Nicene Creed.

He wants the priest and all the parishioners to recant by rejecting  the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation.

He wants all the parishioners and their priest to affirm heresy and irrationality just as he does  and so was allowed to complete his doctorate in theology and study at the Pontifical Gregorian University.

If Bishop Lopes did not recant traditional teachings of the Church on faith and morals, he would not be allowed to receive a theological degree or be an assistant to the Cardinal-Prefect of the CDF who also supported heresy for ideological reasons.

-Lionel Andrades