There can only be one rational
interpretation of Vatican Council II it is the one with the Rational Premise
and not the Irrational Premise and Life Site News does not choose it. John
Henry Weston editor-in-chief of Life
Site News interprets LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 as being practical
exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed and
the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.I choose to see LG 8, as not being
practical exceptions for the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
So for him, LG 8 etc
refer to visible people in the present times (1965-2022) saved outside the Catholic
Church, without Catholic faith and the baptism of water. Then LG 8 etc are
assumed wrongly, to be practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed which says
all must be members of the Catholic Church for salvation. This is his non-traditional
conclusion.
For me, LG 8 etc refer
to invisible people in the present times, so they cannot be practical
exceptions for the Syllabus of Errors or an ecumenism of return and there being
no salvation outside the Catholic Church. So my conclusion is traditional.
So his False Premise is
invisible non Catholics saved outside the Church are visible and my
Rational Premise is invisible non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church
are invisible.
Since are premises are
different are conclusions are also different. He rejects the Syllabus of Errors
and the Athanasius Creed with his irrational new theology based upon the False
Premise (invisible cases are visible).I do not have to reject the past
Magisterial Documents.
I am not rejecting the
theoretical possibility of someone being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I), the
baptism of desire(BOD) and baptism of blood(BOB), outside the Church, since everything is
possible with God, including there being only Catholics in Heaven.
However for me,
theoretical possibilities should not be projected as objective examples of
salvation in the present times. They should not be mistaken as practical
exceptions for 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the
Catechism of Pope Pius X (24 Q, 27Q).
So now we have an EENS
with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance being exceptions
and an EENS,without them being exceptions.
Then there are also two
interpretations of the Athanasius Creed and the Nicene Creed. There is the
interpretation of John Henry Weston and mine.
On Vatican Council II
John Henry Weston is irrational and I am not.
She cannot tell him that Vatican Council II (Rational)
contradicts the books he wrote on the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.
She cannot ask the diocesan priests at Dijon, who offer the Novus Ordo and Latin Mass, why do they not affirm the dogma EENS interpreted rationally with BOD, BOB and I.I not being exceptions. Also why do they not interpret Vatican Council ( Rational ) in which LG 8 etc are interpreted rationally and so they are not exceptions for the Athanasius Creed ?
Why cannot this be the
rational, traditional and common old theology at Holy Mass in Latin and the vernacular in France ?
Life Site News supports Bishop Roland Minnerath
and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in their pro-left campaign against the Latin Mass and those Catholics who want to affirm Vatican Council II ( Rational ) at the Novus Ordo Mass all over the world.-Lionel Andrades
JANUARY 13, 2022
The Latin laity at Dijon, France must ask Bishop Roland Minnerath to interpret Vatican Council II rationally in public and admit that he made an objective error in the books he wrote. He interpreted Vatican Council II with the False Premise
The Latin laity at Dijon, France must ask Bishop Roland Minnerath to interpret Vatican Council II rationally in public and admit that he made an objective error in the books he wrote. He interpreted Vatican Council II with the False Premise.
They should ask him to affirm the Athanasius Creed in harmony with Vatican Council II (Rational) and interpret all Magisterial Documents rationally and ask the diocesan priests and laity to do the same.
If Bishop Roland Minnerath does not interpret the Creeds according to their original meaning it is a mortal sin of faith. We cannot change the meaning of the Creeds with the use of the common False Premise. -Lionel Andrades
JANUARY 11, 2022
Parents at Dijon, France who are informed, must demand that the diocesan priests and those from the religious communities, only interpret Vatican Council II with a Rational Premise and support the traditional French ecclesiocentrism like that of St. Joan of Arc and the Vendees.
At First Holy Communion classes in Dijon, France, these days, the FSSP priests are not there for the Latin laity. The children are not being taught by traditionalists (Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest) that the Catholic Church teaches today with a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II ( AG 7) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 845,846 etc) that outside the Church there is no salvation. All must be Catholic to go to Heaven (AG 7 etc). Neither is this taught to the children by the diocesan priests at the Novus Ordo Mass and other liturgies in Dijon.
Instead the FSSP error is repeated. The children are told that invisible cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are practical exceptions for the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology (Athanasius Creed) of France, eldest daughter of the Catholic Church.
Parents at Dijon, who are informed, must demand that the diocesan priests and those from the religious communities, only interpret Vatican Council II with a Rational Premise and support the traditional French ecclesiocentrism like that of St. Joan of Arc and the Vendees.
The Rational Premise will end the theological epidemic and the whole Church can return to Tradition and not only those who go for the Latin Mass.-Lionel Andrades
ANUARY 11, 2022
Courage and Faith: The Story of St. Joan of Arc
JANUARY 9, 2022
Father Louis-Marie de Blignières, Superior General of the Fraternity of Saint Vincent Ferrier, France has not issued a statement on Vatican Council II interpreted with the Fake Premise and the Rational Premise
Father Louis-Marie de Blignières, Superior General of the Fraternity of Saint Vincent Ferrier, France will continue to offer the Latin Mass as before Traditionis Custode. However he has not issued a statement on Vatican Council II, which is the real issue. Will he interpret Vatican Council II with the False Premise as Pope Francis wants or will he interpret the Council with the Rational Premise and so with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition ?
He could also assist the Latin laity at Dijon, France and ask Bishop Roland Minnerath and the diocesan priests there, who offer the Novus Ordo and Latin Mass, to also interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and return to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Patristic period and the Middle Ages.
At First Holy Communion preparation classes in France, Vatican Council II should not be interpreted according to Bishop Roland Minnerath but with Vatican Council II (rational) which has a hermeneutic of continuity with the Magisterium over the centuries in France.
He could appeal to Pope Francis to re-interpret Vatican Council II rationally and come back to the Faith. A major flaw in Traditionis Custode is that it interprets Vatican Council II with the Fake Premise and considers this the work of the Holy Spirit.
The Italian cardinal would be affirming an exclusivist ecclesiology at Holy Mass in Italian and there would no more be a pre and post Vatican Council II ecclesiology. So the theology at Mass in Italian, Latin, Greek or Syro Malabar would be the same. It would be traditional.It would be Feeneyite and not Cushingite.
So there no more would be a reason for Pope Francis and the Left to target only the Latin Mass in the name of Vatican Council II interpreted with the Fake Theology; the Fake Premise.
How can diocesan priests be allowed to use a Fake Premise to interpret Vatican Council II at the Novus Ordo Mass in France, Italy etc ?. Father Louis-Marie de Blignières, Superior General of the Fraternity of Saint Vincent Ferrier must ask the French Bishops Conference.-Lionel Andrades
https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2016/11/fraternity-of-st-vincent-ferrer-in-nyc.html#.Ydq-oDPMLcc
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/new-rome-pastoral-guidelines-raise-eyebrows
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DECEMBER 25, 2021
Superior General of all Religious Communities must ask Archbishop Roche to interpret Vatican Counclil II with the Rational Premise : the present interpretation is immoral
Archbishop Roche is using the Fake Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and all the Ecclesia Dei communities and also the communities who offer/attend the Novus Ordo Mass should reject it and ask him to use the Rational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and affirm the traditional conclusions.-Lionel Andrades
DECEMBER 25, 2021
How can the Fraternity of St.Vincent Ferrer follow Archbishop Roche who speaks about ‘ a new Magisterium’ with Vatican Council II interpreted with a Fake Premise ?
The Superior-General, Father Louis-Marie de Blignières, of the Fraternity of Saint Vincent Ferrer also needs to clarify that they will only interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and not False Premise, They will not follow Pope France, Cardinal Ladaria and Archbishop Roche when they use the Fake Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and create a false break with Tradition.
How can the Fraternity of St.Vincent Ferrer follow Archbishop Roche who speaks about ‘ a new Magisterium’ with Vatican Council II interpreted with a Fake Premise ?.He produces the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition by confusing what is invisible (LG 8, LG 14, LG 16) as being visible (practical exceptions for EENS which is made obosolete.).-Lionel Andrades
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/12/important-declaration-of-superior-of.html
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DECEMBER 24, 2021
Archbishop Roche is choosing the hermenetic of rupture with tradition and apostolic times.He has altered the faith.
https://www.ncregister.com/interview/archbishop-roche-on-traditionis-custodes-and-its-guidelines-the-liturgical-possibilities-are-in-place
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Like a switch - we can turn the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition on or off.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has pressed the button. He says there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14). He has kept the switch on. Vatican Council II has a continuity with Tradition.
Pope Francis' New Theology keeps the switch off. Lumen Gentium 14 (baptism of desire) refers to known and visible non Catholics. He infers that invisible people are visible for him and are examples of salvation outside the Church. So he concludes that EENS and the Syllabus of Errors are obsolete. There is a cut off with the past.
For me Unitatis Redintigratio (imperfect communion with the Church) refers to only a hypothetical case. So UR (Decree on Ecumenism) nowhere contradicts the Syllabus of Errors and the dogma EENS. I have kept the line open with Tradition. Cardinal Walter Kasper's New Ecumenism is based upon UR 3 being an exception for the Syllabus and EENS. He has turned the switch off, breaking the connection with Sacred Tradition and the past exclusivist ecumenism. The premise was his handle Archbishop Roche has used the false premise and has broken faithfulness to tradition received from apostolic times. He has chosen to keep 'the switch' off and has altered the faith and interrupted the living tradition.-Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
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