Tuesday, August 16, 2016

Fraternità San Pio X cambiato dogmi e dottrine



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Fraternità San Pio X cambiato dogmi e dottrine
C'e confusione anche fra tradizionalisti


Il giovane sacerdote di Fraternità San Pio X, ha offerto la messa in latino a S. Caterina da Siena cappella nel centro di Roma, ieri per la festa di Assunzione ha detto nella sua omelia che la Chiesa cattolica ha il deposito pieno del verita.Sono in accordo con lui, ma ci sono tali differenze importanti nel la nostra comprensione della Verità cattolica.

La posizione di Fraternità San Pio X in Italia sul Concilio Vaticano II è vago.Sua ecclesiologia ha la nuova teologia del Novus Ordo Messa.E eretico, ma il Vaticano non si admite perchè la Sinistra ha approvato.

Arcivescovo Lefebvre ha fatto l'originale errore. He trascurato l'errore nella seconda parte della Lettera del Santo Office.
Per la Fraternità San Pio X l'Italia il battesimo di desiderio e di essere salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile riferiscono a casi reali e non immaginari.Loro sono eccezioni a Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
Loro ancora non conoscoe che ci sono un Concilio Vaticano II (Feeneyite) e Extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Feeneyite).

Per loro è sempre stato il Concilio Vaticano II (Cushingite) ed extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Cushingite).

Loro proclamano una Credo di Nicea (Feeneyite), ma in realtà si riferiscono a un Credo di Nicea (Cushingite).

Quindi, in realtà la Fraternità ha cambiato dogmi e dottrine.
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TERMINI SPIEGATO

Feeneyismo: E 'la vecchia teologia e filosofica ragionamento che dice non ci sono eccezioni conosciute (passati o presenti) per dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Non sono casi espliciti che contraddire l'interpretazione tradizionale di EENS.

Cushingismo: E 'la nuova teologia e ragionamento filosofico, che assume le eccezioni ci sono noti, passato e presente, alla dogma EENS; sulla necessità per tutti di entrare formalmente nellaChiesa Cattolica.Presuppone che il battesimo di desiderio ecc non sono ipotetici, ma oggettivamente conosciuto.In principali casi ipotetici sono obiettivo nei tempi presenti.

Battesimo di desiderio: Si riferisce al caso ipotetico di un catecumeno sconosciuta che vuole il battesimo di acqua, ma muore prima di lui lo riceve e viene salvato. Dal momento che questo è un caso invisibile nella nostra realtà non è rilevante per la dogma EENS. dogma.

Ignoranza invincibile: Questo si riferisce al caso ipotetico di una persona presumibilmente salvati senza il battesimo di acqua nella Chiesa cattolica, da quando era nell'ignoranza.

Concilio di Firenza:Uno dei tre Concili , che ha definito il dogma EENS.Il dogma non ha menzionato alcuna eccezione.

Teologi liberali: Hanno reinterpretato il battesimo di desiderio e di essere salvati nell'ignoranza invincibile, come casi oggettivi, noti nei tempi presenti.

Il Concilio Vaticano II (Cushingite): Si riferisce all'interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II con Cushingismo.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 ecc riferirsi non a casi ipotetici, ma noti casi nei tempi presenti. Così il Concilio Vaticano II emerge come una rottura con il dogma EENS.

Il Concilio Vaticano II (Feeneyite): Si riferisce all'interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II con Feeneyismo.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 ecc fare riferimento a casi ipotetici, che sono sconosciute personalmente nel presente tempi.Concilio Vaticano II non è una rottura con EENS, il Sillabo, l'ecumenismo del ritorno, il Credo di Nicea (Feeneyite-un solo battesimo), l'insegnamento sul Regno Sociale di Cristo Re su tutta la legislazione politica e la non separazione tra Chiesa e Stato (in quanto tutti bisogno di convertire in la Chiesa per evitare l'inferno.

Lettera del Sant'Uffizio 1949 l'arcivescovo di Boston: Si presume casi ipotetici erano de facto conosciuto nei tempi presenti. Così è presentato il battesimo di desiderio ecc come esplicita, alla tradizionale interpretazione del dogma EENS.Censurato Don Leonard Feeney e il Centro San Benedetto perchè loro non dire che il battesimo di desiderio e visibile invece di invisible.La Lettera(1949)indicatto che il battesimo di desiderio ecc sono rilevanti per EENs.Da seconda parte di questa Lettera è emersa la Nuova Teologia.

Baltimora Catechismo: Si presume che il desiderio per il battesimo di un catecumeno sconosciuta, che muore prima di riceverlo ed è stato salvato, è stato un battesimo come il battesimo di acqua. Così è stato inserito nella sezione Battesimo del catechismo. In altre parole, si è erroneamente ritenuto che il battesimo di desiderio è visibile e ripetibile come il battesimo di acqua o che possa amministrarlo come il battesimo di acqua.

Catechismo di Papa X: E 'seguito il Catechismo di Baltimore e collocato il battesimo di desiderio nella sezione Battesimo.

Credo di Nicea (Cushingite):Si dice 'Credo in un solo battesimo per il perdono dei peccati' e significa che ci sono più di tre battesimi noti. Essi sono l'acqua, il sangue, il desiderio, semi del Verbo ecc.

Credo di Nicea (Feeneyite): Si dice 'Credo in un solo battesimo per il perdono dei peccati e significa che c'è una nota il battesimo, il battesimo di acqua.

Nuova Teologia: Si riferisce alla nuova teologia nella Chiesa Cattolica sulla base di ipotetici casi di essere obiettivo nel presente times.So elimina il dogma EENS.With dogma eens resa obsoleta l'ecclesiologia dei cambiamenti della Chiesa. C'è una nuova ecclesiologia che è una rottura con la tradizione.

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Cushingite):Si riferisce al dogma, ma con eccezione.Tutti non c'è bisogno di convertire de fatto nella Chiesa in tempi attuali, dal momento, perchè ci he ci sono delle eccezioni.

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Feeneyite):Si riferisce al dogma come è stato interpretato nel secoli.Ci sono eccezioni noti a tutti la necessità di entrare formalmente nella Chiesa, con la fede e il battesimo, per evitare l'inferno.

Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica (Cushingite):CCC 1257 contraddice il principio di non Contradizione . Anche CCC 848 si basa sulla nuova teologia e così è una rottura con il dogma EENS (Feeneyite).

Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica (Feeneyite):CCC 1257 non contraddice il principio di non contraddizione poiché non ci sono note eccezioni per lò'insegnamente de fide che tutti hanno bisogno di battesimo di acqua per la salvezza. Non ci sono eccezioni note, dal momento riguarda Dio non si limita ai Sacramenti.

Quando CCC 846 stati tutti che sono salvati sono salvati per mezzo di Gesù e della Chiesa, CCC 846 non contraddice l'insegnamento dogmatico su tutti bisogna entrare formalmente nella Chiesa . CCC 846 non contraddice Ad Gentes 7, che dice tutti bisogno di fede e il battesimo per la salvezza.

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TERMS EXPLAINED
Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reaoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogma EENS.There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.

Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning, which assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.
Baptism of Desire:
It refers to the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is an invisible case in our reality it is not relevant to the dogma EENS.
Invincible Ignorance: This refers to the hypothetical case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.

Council of Florence.One of the three Councils which defined the dogma EENS.It did not mention any exceptions.
Liberal theologians:They reinterpreted the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as objective cases, known in the present times.
Vatican Council II(Cushingite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Cushingism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer not to hypothetical but known cases in the present times. So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the dogma EENS.
Vatican Council II (Feeneyite):
It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases, which are unknown personally in the present times.So Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, the Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite-one baptism),the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State( since all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell)
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Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It assumed hypothetical cases were defacto known in the present times. So it presented the baptism of desire etc as an explicit exception, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.It censured Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.Since they did not assume that the baptism of desire referred to a visible instead of invisible case.The Letter made the baptism of desire etc relevant to EENs.From the second part of this Letter has emerged the New Theology.
Baltimore Catechism. It assumed that the desire for the baptism of an unknown catechumen, who dies before receiving it and was saved, was a baptism like the baptism of water. So it was placed in the Baptism Section of the catechism. In other words it was wrongly assumed that the baptism of desire is visible and repeatable like the baptism of water or that we can administer it like the baptism of water.

Catechism of Pope X. It followed the Baltimore Catechism and placed the baptism of desire in the Baptism Section.

Nicene Creed ( Cushingite) It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' and means there are more than three known baptisms. They are water, blood, desire, seeds of the Word etc.
Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite). It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and means there is one known baptism the baptism of water.
New Theology: It refers to the new theology in the Catholic Church based on hypothetical cases being objective in the present times.So it eliminates the dogma EENS.With the dogma EENS made obsolete the ecclesiology of the Church changes. There is a new ecclesiology which is a break with Tradition.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Cushingite) .It refers to the dogma but with exceptions.All do not need to defacto convert into the Church in the present times, since there are exceptions.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Feeneyite).It
refers to the dogma as it was interpreted over the centuries.There are no known exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, with faith and baptism, to avoid Hell.

Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite).CCC 1257 contradicts the Principle of Non Contraduction. Also CCC 848 is based on the new theology and so is a rupture with the dogma EENS( Feeneyite).
Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite).CCC 1257 does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction since there are no known exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. There are no known exceptions, since God is not limited to the Sacraments.
When CCC 846 states all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church,CCC 846 does not contradict the dogmatic teaching on all needin to formally enter the Church. CCC 846 does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which states all need faith and baptism for salvation.
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Lionel:
He affirms Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) and the dogma EENS ( Feeneyite) and , is waiting for the rest of the Church to follow.

John Martignoni: The American Catholic apologist.He says the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to 'zero cases' in our reality. So they are not exceptions to EENS.
Fr.S.Visintin osb: He is the Dean of Theology at the St.Anselm Pontifical University in Rome.He agrees with Martignoni.__________________________
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August 15, 2016
SSPX has changed dogmas and doctrine

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/sspx-has-changed-dogmas-and-doctrine.html



August 7, 2016

SSPX, FSSP Latin Mass in Rome today a rupture with Tradition but not for me

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/sspx-fssp-offer-latin-mass-in-rome.html

Don Federico

Quello che nessuno ha il coraggio di dirvi: ECCO LA VERITA'

 
 
GRAZIE MIO DIO CHE CI SONO VERI SACERDOTI DI CRISTO MARIANI CHE TUONANO LA VERITA' DI CRISTO UNICO DIO UNO E TRINO SIA LODATO GESU' CRISTO

There is the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite) as interpretated by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI

It was a mistake for Vatican Council II to mention the baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) in Lumen Gentium 14 1 and Lumen Gentium 16 2.They are unknown cases.They have nothing to do with all needing 'faith and baptism' for salvation.
Aside from LG 14 and LG 16 a general mistake in Vatican Council II is to assume hypothetical cases are explicit in the present times and so are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). For example UR 3( imperfect communion with the Church), NA 2( a ray of that Truth) etc are hypothetical cases.They should not have been included in the text of Vatican Council II.
Then LG 14 also says 'Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.' Here it is assumed that those who are in invincible ignorance are known cases, visible in the present times and since they are known, it is inferred that they are exceptions to all needing to convert into the Church to avoid Hell.
This is an example of a false premise  and false conclusion.
The premise is that we physically know of people saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water.The false conclusion is that not every one needs to enter the Church, as was dogmatically taught over the centuries.
LG 14 states only those who know and refuse to enter or remain will go to Hell.In other words those who are in invincible ignorance will be saved, as if we can know these cases.
This is a new doctrine in the Church and is based on the irrational premise and conclusion from the second part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
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This Letter was made public by the Archdiocese of Boston some three years after it was issued by Rome. The error could have been overlooked because of the unstable political conditions of that time and the politics  and confusion in the Archdiocese.The Letter actually eliminates the dogma EENS i.e 'it is not always required ' that one is 'incorporated into the Church actually as a member'.
 
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
 
They mixed up what is explicit and implicit, defacto and in principle( dejure).
This cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit.This is human error.It had the approval of ecclesiastical Masonry.
Defacto we cannot know of someone united to the Church by desire or longing.
De jure ( in principle) how can one say that there is a theoretical case of someone saved united to the Church by desire and longing, when the dogma, based on Scripture(John 3:5, Mark 16:16) and Tradition says all need faith and baptism.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican instead of correcting the error carried it over into the Catechism of the Catholic Church.So now there can be two interpretations of the Catechism.There is the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church with the Cushingite interpretation of the popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI.
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (CUSHINGITE)
In the Cushingite version CCC 846( Outside the Church No Salvation) is based on the new theology.So there are exceptions to 'all' needing 'faith and baptism' for salvation(AG 7).Ad Gentes 7 is cited in CCC 846.
In the Cushingite interpretation CCC 1257( Necessity of Baptism) there is a contradiction of the Principle of Non Contradiction.CCC 1257 says 'the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water'.It also suggests that there are exceptions.Since God is not bound to the Sacraments.So defacto all need to enter the Church but some do not.
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CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (FEENEYITE)
In the Catechism of the Catholic Church (Feeneyite) CCC 846 does not contradict the dogma EENS (Feeneyite).Since there are no physically known exceptions of BOD and I.I.So even though 'all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church', all need to formally enter the Church with 'faith and baptism' for salvation(AG 7, LG 14, Council of Florence 1441 on extra ecclesiam nulla salus).
The theology 'all who are saved are saved though Jesus and the Church' was created to accomodate explicit for us BOD and I.I.

NO CONTRADICTION
Similarly in CCC1257 we do not have a contradiction of the Principle of Non Contradiction.Since we do not, and cannot, know of any one saved without the baptism of water.We do not know of anyone saved because God is not limited to the Sacraments.So CCC 1257 does not contradict EENS( Feeneyite).The second part of CCC 1257( God is not limited to the Sacraments) does not contradict the first part( the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water).
So the Catechism would be very confusing for Catholics unless they made the Feeneyite-Cushingite distinction.It is making the distinction between what is explicit and implicit, visible and invisible.
We have a choice. We can interpret EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church with Feeneyism.We can reject the present common Cushingite interpretation.It is irrational, non traditional and heretical.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.-Lumen Gentium 14
 
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Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.-Lumen Gentium 16
 


TERMS EXPLAINED
Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reaoning which says there are no  known exceptions past or present, to the dogma EENS.There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.
Cushingism:  It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning, which assumes  there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.

Baptism of  Desire: It refers to the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is an invisible case in our reality it is not relevant to the dogma EENS.

Invincible Ignorance: This refers to the hypothetical case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.


Council of Florence.One of the three Councils which defined the dogma EENS.It did not mention any exceptions.

Liberal theologians:They reinterpreted the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as objective cases, known in the present times.

Vatican Council II(Cushingite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Cushingism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer not to hypothetical but known cases in the present times. So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the dogma EENS.
Vatican Council II (Feeneyite):It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases, which are unknown personally in the present times.So Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, the Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite-one baptism),the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and  the non separation of Church and State( since all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell)
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Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It assumed hypothetical cases were defacto known in the present times. So it presented the baptism of desire etc as an explicit exception, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.It censured Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.Since they did not assume that the baptism of desire referred to a visible instead of invisible case.The Letter made the baptism of desire etc relevant to EENs.From the second part of this Letter has emerged the New Theology.
Baltimore Catechism. It assumed that the desire for the baptism of an unknown catechumen, who dies before receiving it and was saved, was a baptism like the baptism of water. So it was placed in the Baptism Section of the catechism. In other words it was wrongly assumed that the baptism of desire is visible and repeatable like the baptism of water or that we can administer it like the baptism of water.

Catechism of Pope X. It followed the Baltimore Catechism and placed the baptism of desire in the Baptism Section.
Nicene Creed ( Cushingite) It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' and means there are more than three known baptisms. They are water, blood, desire, seeds of the Word etc.
 
Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite). It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and means there is one known baptism the baptism of water.
 
New Theology: It refers to the new theology in the Catholic Church based on hypothetical cases being objective in the present times.So it eliminates the dogma EENS.With the dogma EENS made obsolete the ecclesiology of the Church changes. There is a new ecclesiology which is a break with Tradition.
 
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Cushingite) .It refers to the dogma but with exceptions.All do not need to defacto convert into the Church in the present times, since there are exceptions.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Feeneyite).It  refers to the dogma as it was interpreted over the centuries.There are no known exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, with faith and baptism, to avoid Hell.
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite).CCC 1257 contradicts the Principle of Non Contraduction. Also CCC 848 is based on the new theology and so is a rupture with the dogma EENS( Feeneyite).
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite).CCC 1257 does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction since there are no known exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. There are no known exceptions, since God is not limited to the Sacraments.
When CCC 846 states all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church,CCC 846 does not contradict the dogmatic teaching on all needin to formally enter the Church. CCC 846 does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which states all need faith and baptism for salvation.
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Lionel: He affirms Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) and the dogma EENS ( Feeneyite) and , is waiting for the rest of the Church to follow.
John Martignoni: The American Catholic apologist.He says the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to 'zero cases' in our reality. So they are not exceptions to EENS.
Fr.S.Visintin osb: He is the  Dean of Theology at the St.Anselm Pontifical University in Rome.He  agrees with Martignoni.
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