Friday, May 29, 2015

Seer Conchiglia of the Holy Trinity meets Pope Benedict

Pope Benedict XVI


http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/benedetto-xvi-benedict-xvi-benedicto-xvi-41325/

http://www.conchiglia.us/UK/UK_C_lettere/UK_Conchiglia_VATICANO.htm

http://www.conchiglia.us/UK/UK_C_lettere/UK_Conchiglia_VATICANO.htm
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/05/28/benedict-xvi-given-book-claiming-francis-is-vicar-of-the-anti-christ/

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WANT TO SEE MORE ?
You will see more... but it will not be a pretty sight...
September 11, 2001 - 19.45 - The Most Holy Trinity to Conchiglia
Welcome back My Lord - Vol IV - pag. 221 (Italian)

MASSACRE OF CIVILIANS AND CHRISTIANS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WORLD
ISLAM: thousands and thousands of people killed in the name of allah. It is a religious, political and military issue to bring humanity to the blasphemous New World Religion and lead towards complete slavery under the New World Order and they will have no respect for anyone.


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Write Conchiglia... it is urgent to make known what they are plotting against you in the Vatican.
THE PLAN ORCHESTRATED BY SATAN...
since you have messed up their other plan... is this...
« kill this Unnamed... the Forger »...
and with this they wish to obtain three things to further offend the Divine Trinity.
Jesus to Conchiglia - July 28 th, 2014

Conchiglia to Pope Benedict XVI in 2010:
Do not be afraid Holiness, I Conchiglia, have offered my life for you.
Conchiglia to Pope Benedict XVI in 2012:
I Conchiglia della Santissima Trinità, solemnly renew my life
offering in exchange for that of Pope Benedict XVI,
to guide him to the Will of God in the Church, One, Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.
PART X - The Most Appalling Reality of Humanity
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« TEMPLE OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER » :
Here's the wooden model

All the false religions in the “ Jesuit Satanic - One World Religion ” in one Temple.

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THAT WHICH YOU SEE TODAY IS NOT MY CHURCH...
Jesus: Even « the person of the Highest level in the Freemasonry »
is subordinate of the Hebrew Heads that hate Me
and that are effectively in power in the Vatican...
« That part of the Hebrew People » readily forgathered to study and plan
a monstrous « Worldwide Project ». The Hebrew Holocaust...
is a work of the same Hebrew Heads of the same époque and even then
« they have used others » to do the dirty work. Muslims... against Christians...
The « Unnamed » precedes the Antichrist... Is distorting all that I have taught.
PART V - The Most Appalling Reality of Humanity

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WORLD WAR III : IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME...
Jesus: Without Me you cannot do anything.
The « unnamed »... because « he is not »... shows himself as the savior of the world
with lights from the stage but he is neither a first actor nor the savior.
The Savior is Jesus Christ… the Jesus who he despises... kneeling only to false religions.
PART IV - The Most Appalling Reality of Humanity

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In The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptized they used Marchetti theology, an irrational theology

Lionel:
In The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptized they used Marchetti theology, an irrational theology. This is the theology being used by the International Theological Commission. It is also known as Cushingism.
Cushingism assumes there is known salvation outside the Church. Then it infers wrongly that since there is known salvation outside the Church these ‘known cases’ are ‘explicit’ exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So since there are exceptions to the dogma not every one needs to enter the Church formally for salvation according to the Cushing-Marchetti thesis.
Since not every one needs to enter the Church there is salvation outside the Church for the ITC. So it is possible that babies can be saved without the baptism of water is the ITC, Pope Benedict XVI thesis.
It is also based on an irrational premise i.e we personally know of deceased in the present time who are in heaven without ‘faith and baptism’


Nathan:
Lionel,
As you know, the “ITC-Benedict” hypothesis doesn’t rest on the presumption that their is salvation outside the Church. Rather, all salvation is through the Church, although there is a possibility that those formally outside the Church can be saved through the Church, if they cooperate with God’s grace and if they are formally outside the Church through no fault of their own. The Church hasn’t repudiated EENS. You’ll also note the concept of the invincibly ignorant being possibly saved without formally joining the Church, dates back at least to the discovery of the Americas and can even be found in St Thomas Aquinas’ concept of “potential Christians
 
Nathan:
As you know, the “ITC-Benedict” hypothesis doesn’t rest on the presumption that their is salvation outside the Church.
Lionel:
Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumes there is known salvation outside the Church. He personally did not know of anyone saved outside the Church i.e without faith and baptism.
No magisterial document before 1949 says there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.No magisterial document before 1949 says that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are explicit exceptions to the dogma. They mention the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance. They do not state that these cases are exceptions.This has to be inferred wrongly. Marchetti made the wrong inference.
Summary:
1.He did not know any personal cases. Since these cases would only be known to God. They are unknown to us.
2.The Council of Trent and Mystici Corporis does not state that there are known exceptions to the dogma.
3.No magisterial document before 1949 claims that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma. There was not historical precedent for Cardinal Marchetti.

Rather, all salvation is through the Church,
Lionel:
This is the new theology in the Catechism of the Catholic Chuch which accomodates Marchetti's objective error.It was an objective error since we personally can see or know any baptism of desire case in the present times. These persons are in Heaven. So being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire had nothing to do with the traditional Feeneyite concept of the dogma.

 although there is a possibility that those formally outside the Church can be saved through the Church, if they cooperate with God’s grace and if they are formally outside the Church through no fault of their own.
Lionel:
Yes and this would be a hypotehtical case for us. It is theoretical and speculative. It is a possibility.So it cannot be a defacto exception to the dogma in the present time. I cannot meet someone saved as such in Rome today afternoon
The Church hasn’t repudiated EENS.
Lionel:
In reality it has.
The text of the dogma does not mention the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, hypothetical or defacto.
Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus do not affirm the rigorist interpretation of the dogma.
The International Theological Commission in two of its papers have criticized Fr.Leonard Feeney. This includes the ITC paper on Limbo.
 
 You’ll also note the concept of the invincibly ignorant being possibly saved without formally joining the Church, dates back at least to the discovery of the Americas and can even be found in St Thomas Aquinas’ concept of “potential Christians.”
Lionel:
Yes and it was always assumed that God would send a preacher to save these people( Aquinas) or they would be baptised with water before they go to Heaven ( St.Francis Xavier).
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INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO
 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission_29.html

The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commissions.html

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission.html

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html
 VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF RELIGIONS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vatican-council-ii-rejects-theology-of.html

Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/secretary-of-international-theological.html#links

Louie Verrecchio still cannot imagine how extra ecclesiam nulla salus is related to Vatican Council II

Once again Louie Verrecchio has nothing to say. 1 He doesn't have a clue as to what I am saying and he will not ask questions or reason it out.He will keep churning out the same thing.
Recently he was criticizing Michael Voris for accepting Vatican Council II.Voris does not accept the SSPX position on Vatican Council II though like the SSPX and Louie Verrcchio, Michael uses Apparition Theology.
Louie Verrecchio is not a Feeneyite. So why is he complaining about the pope's remark on ecumenism?
If the pope rejects an ecumenism of return it is because he rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
If there is a new teaching on ecumenism it is because the rigorst interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church, has been rejected.
But Louie Verrecchio, the SSPX , Michael Voris, Cardinal Gerhard Muller and the popes also reject the dogma with Cushingism.For them there are exceptions to the dogma which are allegedly known in the present times.
They all accept the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which presented a new theology and suggested that there is salvation outside the Church. So there is salvation outside the Church for Louie Verrechio since he accepts the Letter ( like  Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX) and also approves the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 and 1257.
 
Fr.Leonard Feeney was faithful to the pre-1949 magisterium. There are also no known exceptions to the dogma, of persons, personally known to us, saved without 'faith and baptism' in the present times. Since for humans there cannot be exceptions to the dogma. An exception would only be known to God.So Fr.Leonard Feeney should not have asked to say that he  personally could see the dead-saved without the baptism of water.This is fantasy.Yet this is standard Cushingism which Verrecchio does not criticize. Also there was no Church document which stated that the baptism of desire etc was explicit and so was an exception to the dogma. This has to be inferred. Even the Council of Trent and Mystici Corporis do not state that these cases are objectively known and so are an explicit exception to the dogma. This has to be inferred wrongly. Marchetti and Cushing made the wrong inference. Then they included this inference in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) and Cardinal Ratzinger followed it up in the Catechism( 846,1257).
 
So we do not have a single known case of someone saved outside the Church in the present times and a whole theology has been built upon this error.Verrecchio accepts this error and uses it to interpret Vatican Council II.There is no defacto case.Hypothetical cases cannot be defacto exceptions to the dogmatic teaching on all needing to convert and formally enter the Church.
The Letter of the Holy Office originally  suggested that there are exceptions, and so concluded there is salvation outside the Church,without the baptism of water.This has been accepted by Louie Verrecchio in his Harvesting the Fruits of Vatican Council II catechesis series.
So his theology is based on an irrationality, that of personally knowing exceptions to the dogma. This was Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani's reasoning in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case.So since there is salvation outside the Church for Louie, why is he complaining about the theology of Pope Francis ? Even Cardinal Kaspar says Jews and Protestants do not have to convert. Cardinal Kaspar cites Lumen Gentium 16. LG 16 refers to visible in the flesh cases in 2015 for him, just as it does for the SSPX and Louie Verrecchio.
Protestants and Orthdox Christians who are saved in their religion are saved through Jesus and the Church ! (CCC 846). God is not limited to the Sacraments (CCC 1257) and so there are known exceptions in 2015 of people now dead and who are in Heaven without the baptism of water! So every one does not need the baptism of water in the Catholic Church this May 2015,  for salvation.Louie and the SSPX know of exceptions. So does Pope Francis !
 
Louie still cannot  imagine how  extra ecclesiam nulla salus is related to Vatican Council II. He does not realize that his interpretation of LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc is based on Marchetti's Letter of the Holy Office 1949.If he chooses not to use Marchetti's irrational premise and inference, Vatican Council II changes.
LG 16 would refer to hypothetical cases, speculative cases for us.They are only possibilities known only to God and followed with the baptism of water.So LG 16 cannot be linked to the dogma. There is no connection.
But for Kaspar and Verrecchio these cases are not hypothetical. Since they are both using Marchetti's theology, liberal theology, new theology, based on being able to see apparitions, just like the seers at Medugorje.So Kaspar supports the Council and Verrecchio condemns it- both are using Marchetti's vision.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
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