Monday, April 23, 2012

PREFECT OF THE SUPREME TRIBUNAL: CAN THERE BE AN ‘ECCLESIAL RUPTURE’ FOR NOT AFFIRMING ‘ A VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE’ AND A LIBERAL, IRRATIONAL INTERPRETATION OF THE CATECHISM AND VATICAN COUNCIL II ?

I appeal to Cardinal Raymond Burke, Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal, Vatican to ask Ecclesia Dei and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), how can we know cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire?How can they also be explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as the CDF alleges.


Evidence:

1. The Secretary of the CDF Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J on the International Theological Commission website in two position papers states that there is no more exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church since Vatican Council II (LG 16) and the documents of Pope Pius XII indicate that there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and its literal interpretation.

2. Pope Benedict XVI in Light of the World (Ignatius) p.107 indicates that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are defacto exceptions to the dogma which taught that there is only one way of salvation and everyone needed to convert into the Church.The pope suggests that all those who are saved are saved through Jesus Christ (CCC 846) and this is the one channel. So there are explicit exceptions to the dogma and to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation; all need to convert into the Church.CCC 846 also states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (to avoid Hell).This was the one way, the centuries old interpretation of the Catholic Church.

I appeal to His Eminence Cardinal Raymond Burke to note that when we do not know any case of a person saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire how can they be explicit exceptions to the dogmatic teaching on  exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church?

So why should there be an ‘ecclesial rupture’ between the CDF/Ecclesia Dei and the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX); why should there be this threat to the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II with this irrational interpretation of knowing cases on earth  saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience(LG 16)?

Why should the Institute of the Good Shepherd (IGS) accept the Ecclesia Dei advice to follow the Catechism of the Catholic Church when the CDF/Ecclesia Dei never clarifies how does the Catechism and Vatican Council II negate the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church? Vatican Council II affirms the literal interpretation of the dogma (AG 7) and there are no known exceptions(LG 16 etc). So Vatican Council II is in agreement with the SSPX position on ecumenism and other religions.

Why cannot Catholics accept the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance?

Why does the CDF/Ecclesia Dei expect Fr.Leonard Feeney’s communities, the St.Benedict Centers, also traditionalists, in Los Angeles, Worcester and Manchester,USA to assume that the baptism of desire is a defacto exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by Fr.Leonard Feeney, the popes, Councils,saints, Catechisms and Vatican Council I and II ? One of the communities in Los Angeles is not being recognized it is learnt since the Archbishop and just about every body there assumes that implicit baptism of desire is explicit and so is a defacto exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma held by this Catholic community in Los Angeles.

No Magisterial document claims that the baptism of desire is an explicit exception to the dogma or that these cases can be known to us personally, and so are exceptions to the traditional teaching of exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church.

I have appealed to the CDF and Ecclesia Dei through this blog and have sent them copies of these blog posts over the years, hoping they would do something about this issue but they have done nothing.Now they are issuing notices to traditionalist groups to accept their liberal heresy.Foreign lobbies are openly appealing to the pope and the CDF to change Church teaching, as if this is possible, and to penalize the traditionalists for being faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church.

In Christ.

Mr.Lionel Andrades
Catholic Layman in Rome

ECCLESIA DEI’S ADVICE TO THE INSTITUTE OF THE GOOD SHEPHERD IS SCARY

Ecclesia Dei-CDF cause of unintentional dissent and liberalism

At first communities who offer the Traditional Latin Mass are invited to enter the Church with full canonical status .The discussion on Vatican Council II is to be continued later. After a few years Ecclesia Dei recommends that they follow the Catechism of the Catholic Church; the liberal version with errors. The liberal interpretation of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) and Ecclesia Dei  assumes there is a visible baptism of desire which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. If the traditionalists do not accept it an ‘ecclesial rupture’ could follow.

The fault is also there with the traditionalist communities as it is with the CDF, they are not aware of the root cause of the liberal interpretation of the Catechism or Vatican Council II If they were aware - they would point out the precise error of the CDF and the problem could be resolved.

The Institute of the Good Shepherd, unlike the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), is willing to accept Vatican Council II as a continuity with Tradition. So for them it should be easy to identify the CDF's  unintentional error and to get rid of it. They can follow the Catechism of the Catholic Church which would not be difficult. The Catechism can be interpreted according to Tradition.

Much of the liberalism and dissent that we see in the Church is not just general liberalism it has a specific cause and when identified it can be corrected. It has to be corrected formally by the CDF and Ecclesia Dei.

There is hope for the future. There must come a time when Catholics understand what the precise problem is, and they ask the pope or the Curia precise questions. Presently in ignorance they are not even asking the relevant questions.



A time must come when the IGS, FSSP and  SSPX shout out in frustration “There is no visible baptism of desire!”

Only God knows who is saved in invincible ignorance!”

“You do not know a single case saved with a good conscience”

“Can you identify who is saved with the seeds of the Word?!”

“There is nothing in the Catechism or Vatican Council II which contradicts the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus!”

“Vatican Council II says outside the church there is no salvation”

“The Catechism can be interpreted as a continuation of Tradition and you can’t fool me!”
-Lionel Andrades
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SSPX -DICI SAYS ECCLESIA DEI HAS ASKED THE INSTITUTE OF THE GOOD SHEPHARD TO FOLLOW THE CATECHISM
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/sspx-dici-says-ecclesia-dei-has-asked.html