Apologetics of Lionel Andrades which was not known to Fr. John Hardon sj, Fr. William Most, Mons. Joseph Clifford Fenton and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre

Apologetics of Lionel Andrades which was not known to Fr. John Hardon sj, Fr. William Most, Mons. Joseph Clifford Fenton and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre since they were all interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and had accepted the objective error in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney.

There are four important points to note. They are:-

1. If LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are seen as hypothetical cases always then they are not practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Athanasius Creed, the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X and the rest of Tradition. Invisible cases of LG 8,14,15,16 etc cannot be visible exceptions for  EENS. 

2. If LG 8,14, 15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical and invisible cases then the Nicene Creed does not change when it states , ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins’. It is a reference to the baptism of water.

But if LG 8,14, 15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to physically visible and objective examples of salvation outside the Church in 1965-2023, then Vatican Council II (irrational) is a rupture with the Nicene Creed. This is how Pope Francis interprets LG 8,14,15,16 etc. There are objective cases of LG 8,14,15,16 etc., for him,  which are a rupture with the Nicene Creed. The Creed will means, for him,  “ I believe in three or more baptisms ( desire, blood, invincible ignorance etc) which are physically visible and exclude the baptism of desire and so contradict Feeneyite EENS', or, EENS according to the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Florence (1442)’.

INTERPRETATION OF CATECHISMS CHANGE

The interpretation of the Catechisms are also changed for him. He changes the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27Q and 29 Q all interpreted irrationally) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 845,846,1257, 847,848 etc). The Catechisms can be interpreted with Feeneyism (invisible people are invisible) or Cushingism (invisible people are visible).( See below for details)

WE CAN CHOOSE THE HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION

3. We now know how to create the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with Tradition. We choose from either of them.Pope Francis chooses the hermeneutic of rupture.

THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS

4. There can be two interpretations of Magisterial Documents. They can be interpreted rationally or irrationally. The popes,cardinals and bishops choose the irrational version. So there is the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. I choose the rational option. So there is the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition. Pope Francis wants all Catholics to accept Vatican Council II but only the irrational version. With the irrational version the Council contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).

For me Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS.  

This is EENS as held by Brother Andre Marie micm, Superior of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire  and Brother Peter Dimond, apologist at the Most Holy Family Monastery, New York. The pope, cardinals and bishops cannot say the same.However even Brother Peter Dimond makes on a mistake on the Council which he interprets irrationally and so is a break with Tradition ( EENS etc). 

THIS IS A DISCOVERY. 

So this is a discovery before the Synod in October where all the participants will interpret Vatican Council II and the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and so dishonestly. It will be the same at the ordination of the 21 new cardinals in September.There will 18 of these 21 cardinals who will be allowed to elect a pope.

These 18 cardinals like Pope Francis:-

1. Interpret LG 8,14,15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc irrationally and not rationally.

2. They also re-interpret the Creeds, Councils, dogma EENS, the baptism of desire and beings saved in invincible ignorance and the Catechisms, irrationally and not rationally.They re-interpret Magisterial Documents irrationally.

3. They choose the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.

This is first class heresy according to the heirarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II ( Ad Tuendem Fidem).They do not have a right to offer Holy Mass. This is a scandal. 

According to Canon Law they are juridical persons and so have to affirm the Catholic faith in public to remain in office. 

We can further see the error of Pope Francis and the cardinals with these Four Models.

1. Two Columns.

2. The Red is not an exception for the blue.

3. Feeneyism and Cushingism.

4. Irrational and Rational premise.

1.Two Columns

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/07/repost-pope-francis-changes-doctrine.html

2.The Red is not an exception for the Blue

3.Feeneyism and Cushingism

I am referring to Feeneyism and Cushingism as explained on my blog.The fault does not lie with Vatican Council II in itself. It depends upon how you interpret the Council, whether you use Cushingism or Feeneyism. Cushingism results in the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.

I am referring to Feeneyism and Cushingism as explained on my blog.

I am not referring to Fr. Leonard Feeney and Cardinal Cushing in particular.

I use their names since it has meaning for me. However any other name could have been used.

Feeneyism refers to accepting hypothetical cases as just being hypothetical. Invisible people are simply called invisible.

Cushingism refers to hypothetical cases being concrete and known people in the present times.

So with Feeneyism BOD, BOB and I.I are hypothetical cases only. So they cannot be exceptions to EENS.

With Cushingism BOD,BOB and I.I are not hypothetical and are assumed to be visible people saved outside the Church

and so they become exceptions to EENS.

Similarly with Feeneyism LG 16, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 refer to hypothetical cases, invisible people in 2018. So there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict EENS.

With Cushingism LG 16, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 refer to real people saved outside the Church and so Vatican Council II is a rupture with the dogma EENS.

So the fault does not lie with Vatican Council II in itself. It depends upon how you interpret the Council, whether you use Cushingism or Feeneyism.

Cushingism results in the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.

FALSE PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION (GRAPHICS)

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When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism. When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.

IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2023.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2023.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2023.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2023.There is no personally known case.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2023.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past. It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.

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When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.

When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.

The mainstream  Church , Pope Francis and the cardinals are liberal today because of the fake premise. If they choose a rational premise the liberalism falls off from the whole Church.

Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2023.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine 

of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-

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                                - Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 10, 2018

Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Sjizzarto must tell Cardinal Pietro Parolin to end the Leftist version of Catholicism in Hungary

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/hungarian-prime-minister-peter.html

OCTOBER 2, 2018

When the Catholic Church in Hungary and Poland affirm Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) then the Church's doctrine and theology would be the same as during the time of the Austro-Hungarian Empire   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/when-they-catholic-church-in-hungary.html

JULY 28, 2023

Things have changed in the Church. You can know more tell me that you justify your liberalism with Vatican Council, since I can justify my orthodoxy, also with Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/07/things-have-changed-in-church-you-can.html

TALKS ON VATICAN COUNCIL II BEING IN HARMONY WITH TRADITION AND THERE BEING TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE COUNCIL, ONE IS RATIONAL AND THE OTHER IS IRRATIONAL.

If you are a group of Catholics, liberal or traditionalist, I am willing to speak about this subject. I can present the material on this blog in an orderly way for you to understand quickly what I keep writing about. I available am in Rome ( only Rome) and there is no charge. The information will be given free. It will be illustrated with some graphics and photos.

I am a Catholic and I affirm the teachings of the Catholic Church as I have said often on this blog.

The difference between me and Catholics in general and also the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican,  is that they interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Catechisms, Councils etc  irrationally and I am rational.

I choose a rational premise and inference and so my conclusion is traditional.

The presentation could take 20 minutes or less.I will be available to answer questions.I do not have any new theology to offer. I simply avoid an irrational observation and we return to the old theology of the Magisterium and missionaries of the 16th century at the Latin Mass. This would be the general theology today, which is honest and rational, at every Mass and every Rite. It would have to be the lex orandi.

Please e-mail me at : lionelandrades10@gmail.com

p.s I do not have a telephone contact number and do not travel out of Rome.

ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH      SOLAMENTE LA CHIESA CATTOLICA

Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents.

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