Friday, June 7, 2013

Pro SSPX supporters should protest at the CDF on their irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II

The supporters and friends of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) should protest at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) official's not accepting Vatican Council II. They should demand that the CDF cardinal and archbishops accept Vatican Council II (AG 7) which says 'all' need ' faith and baptism' for salvation. 

Instead CDF officials say on the Internet that all do not need faith and baptism for salvation. They allege that there are cases personally known to them of people now in Heaven . These cases are supposed to be exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II and the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Pro-SSPX should protest at this irrationality and call upon the CDF and Ecclesia Dei to affirm the Council without fantastic claims of being able to see the dead.
Archbishop Gerhard Muller and Archbishop Augustine Di Noia have been appealing to the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II in accord with Tradition.Meanwhile they are not accepting Vatican Council II in agreement with the dogma on salvation and AG 7.
They also imply that the Council is contradictory and ambigous.LG 16,LG 14and LG 8 would contradict AG 7. While AG 7 would  contradict itself.This confusion arises because the CDF officials use the premise of being able to see the dead as a known fact. On this error is based their interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Their theology, a break with the past, is built upon the objective error : of being able to see the dead saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.
Archbishop Di Noia, Vice President, Ecclesia Dei, CDF can allegedly see the dead with elements of sanctification and grace(LG 8) according to an interview  in the National Catholic Register.
Archbishop Gerhard Muller,Prefect,CDF,Vatican can physically see people in 2013 saved in inculpable ignorance according to another interview in the National Catholic Register.
Cardinal Luiz Ladaraia S.J can also physically see non Catholics saved in inculpable ignorance and who have not had the Gospel preached to them through no fault of their own. So for him this ability to see the dead is a contradiction to the exclusivist interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.Also for him, Vatican Council II (LG 16) contradicts the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.He mentions all this on the website of the International Theological Commission and has published these collective papers in a book Documenti.
For him there are known cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance this year  and in years past, as if he could name them and count them. He then uses this fantastic 'knowledge' as a basis for a theology of religions (see ITC website).Non Catholics can be saved in general in their religions, for him.This view is also shared by Cardinal Walter Kaspar.
The SSPX should insist that the CDF Administrartion accept Ad Gentes 7 and not suggest there are known exceptions. This  would mean that Vatican Council II is in agreement with the SSPX position on non Christians (who need 'faith and baptism') and non Catholics ( who need Catholic Faith) for salvation.
Vatican Council II would also be in accord with Tradition, the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Chruch and the need for all to convert and be visible members of the Chruch .It would be in agreement with the Syllabus of Errors (1).
The CDF administration have  no basis in Vatican Council II, for their liberal, irrational and non tradtional interpretation of Vatican Council II , which is a break with the past for them.
Archbishop Muller has said that those who interpret the Council as a break with the past, progressivists and traditionalists, are in heresy.He himself is interpreting the Council as a break with the past.
-Lionel Andrades
 
1.
15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. -- Allocution "Maxima quidem," June 9, 1862; Damnatio "Multiplices inter," June 10, 1851.
Lionel:No since defacto every one needs to enter the Church with faith and baptism to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
16. Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. -- Encyclical "Qui pluribus," Nov. 9, 1846.
Lionel: No since Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church says outside the church there is no salvation and all need faith and baptism for salvation.(AG 7,CCC 846)
17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. -- Encyclical "Quanto conficiamur," Aug. 10, 1863, etc.
Lionel: No since we do not know any exceptions to AG 7 and Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church do not mention any.
18. Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. -- Encyclical "Noscitis," Dec. 8, 1849. -Syllabus of Errors.
Lionel: According to Vatican Council II (AG 7) all need faith and baptism, this refers to Catholic Faith and the baptism of water. Protestants do not have Catholic Faith, they commit mortal sins and do not have access to the Sacraments of the Catholic Church.
 

BONIFACE AT UNAM SANCTAM CATHOLICAM DID NOT KNOW THAT VATICAN COUNCIL II (AG 7)SAYS ALL NEED FAITH AND BAPTISM FOR SALVATION : NO WONDER KASPAR AND THE LIBERALS GET AWAY

Boniface at the website Ut Unam Catholicam did not know that Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation. No wonder Cardinal Walter Kaspar and the liberals get away by saying the Council is ambigous.
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In the comments section on the post Kaspar Admits Intentional Ambiguity, Boniface writes



Sure. I think everyone here agrees that, if someone is saved outside the Church, there is no way to point them out or say "Here's an example." That would be known to God alone. So as far as the living are concerned, everybody needs to enter the Church.
He is not aware that Vatican Council II says all need Catholic Faith and baptism of water for salvation (AG 7) and he does not seem aware that many Catholics including Cardinal Kaspar assume that there are known exceptions to AG 7.
Otherwise in general he agrees that every body living needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and if there are any exceptions it would be known only to God.However the issue is, does Vatican Council II say the same thing ?. Since if it did then the Council is traditional on the issue of other religions and Christians communities and churches.It would mean there is no ambiguity on this issue.However there is ambiguity on this issue for Boniface.
 
I asked in a comment.

So is Vatican Council II traditional on the issue of other religions ? Does the Council say that all need to enter the Church for salvation in 2013? Or does it say there are exceptions?
Here comes the ambigous reply.

No, the Council doesn't specify everyone needs to enter the Church in 2013 because the Council happened in 1962-1965. Duh.


I responded with two comments which he has not posted.
Vatican Council II (AG 7) says all need faith and baptism for salvation, so all in 2013 need to convert into the Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell. All non Catholics. You (Boniface) do not know any exception and neither does the Council mention any.
There is no comment still from the traditionalist.He did not notice that the Catechism of the Catholic Church places Ad Gentes  7 under the title Outside the Church No Salvation (846) and does not state that there are known exceptions.One has to wrongly imply there are. The false premise is needed for this.

Foto: Corpus Christi Valencia
 
To assume there are known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and then to suppose that these cases known only to God,  are known exceptions to AG 7 and the dogma, is using the false premise. I call using the false premise, assuming /presuming we can see the dead now saved in Heaven and then assuming that these cases are physically visible to us, personally knwon to us on earth for them to be exceptions.
 
This is ridiculous !. Yet this error is being made by the Vatican Curia and officials of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith and even traditionalists like the SSPX.
-LionelAndrades

http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.it/2013/04/kasper-admits-intentional-ambiguity.htm

Photo from Boniface's Facebook page. Corpus Christi in Valencia