Wednesday, February 6, 2019
Diane Montagna does not qualify if invincible ignorance is an exception to Ad Gentes 7 saying all need faith and baptism for salvation
When Diane Montagna refers to invincible ignorance she needs to qualify that it is only a theoretical possibility, it is speculation and not a known case of a non Catholic saved outside the Church. So it does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 when it says all need faith and baptism for salvation. We cannot say that there were 20 cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance last year and three or four the previous year. Since it would be known only to God.
She cited only one small part of Ad Gentes 7 and left out the rest.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known
by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and
into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express
language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the
same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by
baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware
that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still
do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God
in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to
find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
She has only cited, 'Therefore though God
in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to
find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...' and not mentioned that Ad Gentes 7 also indicates all Muslims and other non Christians need faith and baptism for salvation. All means those who have had the Gospel preached to them and those who have not.
It also needed to be clarified that according to Ad Gentes 7, being saved with faith and baptism is the norm for salvation and not invincible ignorance.
So the Catholic Church is saying in Ad Gentes 7, when it is interpreted rationally, that most people are on the way to Hell since they die without faith and baptism.
For me the passage in red refers to only hypothetical cases and so is not an exception or in conflict to the passage in blue which suggests all need to enter the Church in the present times.I call this reasoning Feeneyism.
For the present two popes, the liberals and Diane Montagna, the red refers to personally known people saved outside the Church and so it is in conflict with the blue passage. Only personally known non Catholics, visible people could be exceptions to the passage in blue.
Since there are no exceptions to the passage in blue, Vatican Council II (AG 7) affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS, the Feeneyite version. Fr.Leonard Feeney knew that literally there were no known cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance.
Vatican Council II(AG 7) is not in conflict with the Magisterium and missionaries in the 16th century on EENS. For Pope Benedict ( Avvenire, March 2016) and Cardinal Ladaria ( March 1, 2018 Placquet Deo) there is a rupture with the 16th century. Since the red is an exception to the blue for them too.
Diane Montagna needs to clarify this thinking for herself and then discuss the Decree of Prohibitions placed on the St.Benedict Center in the Diocese of Manchester, USA since they affirm the strict interpretation of EENS and affirm like the popes, saints and Vatican Council II, that in Heaven there are only Catholics(AG 7).-Lionel Andrades
As previously discussed here on LifeSite, Vatican II allows for the possibility of
extraordinary revelations to non-Christians. According to its decree on
the missionary activity of the Church, “God in ways known to Himself
can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith
without which it is impossible to please Him” (Ad Gentes, 7).
But the Church is equally clear that the followers of other religions
do not have the faith without which it is impossible to please God.
In other words, God can lead the
inculpably ignorant through mysterious means to the true faith, but
adherence to Islam or any other non-Christian religion cannot constitute
this faith.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-under-fire-for-claiming-diversity-of-religions-is-willed-by-go
Vatican II allows for the possibility of
such extraordinary revelations as the righteous Calormene receives in
Lewis’s story. According to its decree on the mission activity of the
Church, “God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant
of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to
please Him” (Ad Gentes, 7).
However, the Church is equally clear that the followers of other
religions do not have the faith without which it is impossible to please
God. “The distinction between theological faithand belief in the other religions, must be firmly held.
If faith is the acceptance in grace of revealed truth, which ‘makes it
possible to penetrate the mystery in a way that allows us to understand
it coherently,’ then belief, in the other religions, is that sum of
experience and thought that constitutes the human treasury of wisdom and
religious aspiration, which man in his search for truth has conceived
and acted upon in his relationship to God and the Absolute” (Dominus Iesus, 7).
In other words, God can lead the
inculpably ignorant through mysterious means to the true faith, but
adherence to Islam or any other non-Christian religion cannot constitute
this faith.
The Church teaches that Muslims as such do not have supernatural
faith. “When St. Francis went to visit the Sultan 800 years ago,” the
observer therefore remarked, “he did so to convert him to the Gospel.”
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/tashlan-comes-to-town-vatican-releases-combined-cross-and-crescent-logo-for
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