Wednesday, June 26, 2013

Would Catholic Answers apologists Tim Staples and Jimmy Akin be approved by Bishop Robert H.Brom in the diocese of San Diego if they did not lie ?

 Apologists currently working for Catholic Answers include Director of Apologetics Tim Staples; Senior Apologist Jimmy Akin  according to Wikipedia. Catholic Answers Live radio host is Patrick Coffin; and staff apologists Michelle Arnold, Jim Blackburn, Matthew Fradd, Peggy Frye, and Fr. Vincent Serpa O.P.
It is listed in the current edition of The Official Catholic Directory, the authoritative listing of U.S. Catholic organizations, priests, and bishops.Catholic Answers operates with the permission of the Diocese of San Diego.
The Most Rev. Robert H. Brom is the bishop of San Diego.
 
The Most Reverend Bishop H. Brom
Tim Staples and Jimmy Akin assume there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and to Vatican Council II. If they did say that they did not know any one in 2013 who is saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire, would they be approved by Bishop Robert H.Brom ?
Most likely not.
THE LIE
Tim Staples and Jimmy Akin know what I have been saying. So do the bishops in Los Angeles and the rest of California. This include their administration and Curia members. I have reached them over the years with e-mails.
If Tim Staples and Jimmy Akin speak the truth and say that we do not know any exceptions to the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney the bishop could disown them.
Similarly on the issue of morals Jimmy Akins assumes that mortal sin is not mortal sin with just the first of three conditions mentioned in the Catechism of the Catholic Church - grave matter. He considers the folowing two conditions  also important to recognize mortal sin.He knows that the following two conditions are not known to us and are known only to God.He also contradicts Veritatis Splendor.
So he is expected to accept this irrational position on morals (mortal sin) and faith (salvation) to continue to be approved by Bishop Robert Brom and the leftists.
This is politically correct Catholic apologists and is based on an irrationality and a lie.
-Lionel Andrades

According to EWTN USA Popes Pius XII and Pius IX made an objective,factual mistake!

According to Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN) USA in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 of Pope Pius XII an objective, factual error was made. EWTN suggests that the Letter assumes being saved in invincible ignorance etc are known, visible exceptions to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney on outside the Church there is no salvation.
So one like Leonard Feeney who interprets the teaching on the necessity of the Church his own way is not acting like a Catholic theologian at all. The Holy Office, on August 8, 1949, declared that L. Feeney was guilty of this error. Because of his error, he rejected several teachings of the Magisterium, saying they clashed with this definition - but they clash only with his false interpretation, given in private judgment.
 Fr.Leonard Feeney was guilty of the error of not assuming that the baptism of desire cases were physically visible to him. He was guilty because he could not name any one saved with the baptism of desire. These cases are visible exceptions to the management of EWTN USA!
Then EWTN USA says that Pope Pius IX also made a factual error. Those 'who do not have the guilt of voluntary faith' and who were personally known to the pope and who are personally visible to the Management and apologists at EWTN, are exceptions to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney! Wow! Lumen Gentium 16 also alleges that the dead now saved and who are in Heaven are personally visible for the people at EWTN USA  to be exceptions.
Pius IX (Quanto conficiamur moerore, August 10, 1863) taught: "God... in His supreme goodness and clemency, by no means allows anyone to be punished with eternal punishments who does not have the guilt of voluntary fault." Vatican II (Lumen gentium # 16) taught the same: "They who without their own fault do not know of the Gospel of Christ and His Church, but yet seek God with sincere heart, and try, under the influence of grace, to carry out His will in practice, known to them through the dictate of conscience, can attain eternal salvation." Pius XII had said (Mystici Corporis Christi) that one can "be related to the Church by a certain desire and wish of which he is not aware", i.e., by the desire to do what God wills in general.
 
-from the EWTN USA website Apologetics Section. (Click on Catholic Church and then the Church and Salvation for this report by Fr.William Most)
 
http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/chura5.htm

Catholic Answers calls being a full fledged member of the Catholic Church extremism: imprimatur from the Bishop of San Diego, USA

Catholic Answers and the Bishop of San Diego have made the Richard Cushing Error.(1)
We do not know any exception to all non Catholics in the present times needing to be a 'full fledged baptized member of the Catholic Church'.We cannot name any one in 2013 who does not have to convert into the Catholic Church with visible Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7).
 
The Catechism of the Catholic Church cites Ad Gentes 7 (CCC 846) and states all need to enter the Church 'as through a door' and all need 'faith and baptism'.This means all need to be full fledged,baptized members of the Catholic Church. CCC 846 does not mention any known exceptions.
 
Catholic Answers call this interpretation extremism. It accepts an irrational interpretaion in which it is assumed we can see the dead saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and they are known exceptions to all needing to be visible members of the Church.
 
Catholic Answers also makes this error in the interpretation of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney. The Letter does not state that these cases saved with implicit desire etc are physically visible to us or that they are known or unknown exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Catholic Answers assumes this wrongly.It is implied wrongly that the Letter claims there are known exceptions to the dogma.
 
Even the USCCB Doctrinal Committee misunderstood this teaching it seems in the Notification on Fr.Peter C.Phan.The USCCB  mentioned being saved in invincible ignorance etc but did not qualify that these cases are not known exceptions to Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7 or the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are not exceptions all needing to be a 'full fledged baptized member of the Catholic Church'
-Lionel Andrades
1.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church, following historic Christian theology since the time of the early Church Fathers, refers to the Catholic Church as "the universal sacrament of salvation" (CCC 774–776), and states: "The Church in this world is the sacrament of salvation, the sign and the instrument of the communion of God and men" (CCC 780).
Many people misunderstand the nature of this teaching.
Indifferentists, going to one extreme, claim that it makes no difference what church one belongs to. Certain radical traditionalists, going to the other extreme, claim that unless one is a full-fledged, baptized member of the Catholic Church, one will be damned...
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/salvation-outside-the-church
IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004



P.S.
A similar error is made by the Catholic Answers apologist staff apologist Jim Blackburn for the Catholic Answers Magazine. He assumes Lumen Gentium 16 and Gaudium et Spes refers to known to us cases of non Catholics saved in the present times who are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Ad  Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-means
 

The SSPX could file a canonical petition in the case of Bishop Charles Morerod O.P

Bishop Charles Morerod O.P interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church on faith and morals with an irrationality and which is not part of the Deposit of the Faith. Bishop Morerod, the present bishop of Lausanne,Switzerland and former Rector of the University of St.Thomas Acquinas(Angelicum), Rome was also the Secretary of the International Theological Commission, Vatican.
He participated in the doctrinal talks with the Society of St.Pius X( SSPX) and after being made bishop prohibited the SSPX from using churches in his diocese,citing 'doctrinal' reasons.
Faith
FrGiordano1's profile photo Bishop Charles Morerod on  the  website of the ITC and as Rector of the Angelicum University considered being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire as known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiamn ulla salus.This was also a contradiction of the Catechism of the Catholic Church(846). This was his view when he moderated the thesis of the Italian priest Fr.Francesco Giordano on the subject of outside the church there is no salvation.
 
Fr.Francesco Giordano lives and teaches at the Franciscan Friars of the  Immaculate seminary in Boccea, Rome.He has still to comment on his thesis for which he received a Licentiate at the Angelicum under Bishop Morerord , and which used the Richard Cushing interpretation.
 
This is irrational. We cannot personally meet or see any one saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire for these cases to be known exceptions to the dogma or Vatican Council II (AG 7). If these cases are not visible and known then how can they be considered exceptions ? If something does not exist in reality how can it be an exception?
Morals
Secondly Bishop Charles Morerod  changed the traditional Catholic teaching on mortal sin (CCC 1854-1860). The Angelicum still uses the liberal interpretation of mortal sin. They assume we can know for sure if a person has full knowledge (the two conditons)  etc . So there cannot be a judgement of mortal sin any more for the liberals.  This is the doctrinal error of Bishop Morerod which is also held by the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith Cardinal  Luiz Ladaraia S.J,former President of the ITC. During doctrinal talks with the SSPX  they both wanted the SSPX to accept this irrationality with the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
 
The SSPX should petition Rome regarding Bishop Moreord and ask for permission to use Catholic Churches, which are available for Christian denominations, who do not believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, as does the SSPX.
 
Also,it needs to be explained that the SSPX's traditional position on other religions and Christan communities is an accord with the Catechism of the Catholic Church (without the Cushing Error). They hold traditional values on other religions and Christian communities.
 
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican should not expect the SSPX to accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church or Vatican Council II with this irrationality. This irrationality is: assuming that the dead now saved in Heaven are physically visible to us and they are exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation(Catholic Faith in Jesus in only the Catholic Church for salvation) and morals (mortal sin with grave matter alone is always a mortal sin).
The SSPX is in agreement with Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church without the Richard Cushing Error applied to faith and morals, salvation and mortal sin.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
Fr.Settimo Manelli FFI, Rector of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate parish in Boccea, Rome.He offers Mass in Latin in the Extraordinary Form.At the seminary in Bocces, the priests and seminarians interpret Vatican Council II with the Richard Cushing Error.The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate assist at the sacristy of the Basilica of St.Mary Majors, Rome. Fr. Settimo is the nephew of the founder of the Franscisan Friars of the Immaculate, Fr. Stefano Mannelli F.I.