I interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as being invisible and not visible, unknown and not known, subjective and not objective, implicit and not explicit,theoretical and not practically known, hypothetical and not seen in the flesh, speculative and not a sold body in Newton's time and space.I am not a modernist. There is nothing in the entire text of Lumen Gentium, Unitatatis Redintigratio, Ad Gentes and Nostra Aetate to contradict the strict interpretation of EENS for me

 I interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as being invisible and not visible, unknown and not known, subjective and not objective, implicit and not explicit,theoretical and not practically known, hypothetical and not seen in the flesh, speculative and not a sold body in Newton's time and space.I am not a modernist.

There is nothing in the entire text of Lumen Gentium, Unitatatis Redintigratio, Ad Gentes and Nostra Aetate to contradict the strict interpretation of EENS for me. -Lionel Andrades

In Poland the SSPX and the Catholic Bishops Conference are modernists, who cannot and do not deny it

 

In Poland the SSPX and the Catholic Bishops Conference  are modernists, who cannot and do not deny it.Modernists reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) by assuming EENS has practical exceptions.

Modernists reject the Athanasius Creed and the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q and 27 Q)  by doing the same.-Lionel Andrades

To interpret Vatican Council II only with the false premise is an act of faith for the SSPX but not for me

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre did not really affirm the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation. Since for him the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) were exceptions to all needing Catholic faith for salvation. So he really, theologically, rejected the Syllabus of Errors and also Feeneyite extra ecclesiam  nulla salus (EENS). 

Today like the liberals, the Society of St. Pius X bishops and priests say invisible cases of the BOD, BOB and I.I are visible exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS. So they put aside EENS according to St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine.

This is the common New Theology of the liberals, the present two popes and the SSPX. For me this is modernism.

To criticize the Novus Ordo Mass is an act of faith for the SSPX but not for me.

To interpret Magisterial documents( Creeds, Catechisms) with a false premise is an act of faith for the SSPX but not for me.

To interpret Vatican Council II only with the false premise is an act of faith for the SSPX but not for me.  -Lionel Andrades

Roberto dei Mattei is being called a traditionalist only because he goes for Mass in Latin ?

 

In a recent report on LifeSite News, Maike Hickson calls Roberto dei Mattei a traditionalist.How can he be a traditionalist when he interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise to create a rupture with Tradition ?

He interprets the Catechisms( all of them) also with the New Theology to reject Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).There is a rupture with EENS according to St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine.

His interpretation of the Nicene Creed is different from mine and so is the Profession of Faith. He is a modernist and not traditionalist.

Is he being called a traditionalist only because he goes for the Latin Mass ? -Lionel Andrades

Choose your approach to Vatican Council II

 

A group of the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II wanted to eliminate the dogma extra ecclesima nulla salus(EENS) officially and so they used the approach of the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO). In principle they decided to project invisible and hypothetical cases as being practical exceptions to the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

So hypothetical cases in Unitatatis Redintigratio ( Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II are mentioned as if they are practical exceptions to EENS and an ecumenism of return.

Hypothetical cases in Lumen Gentium are mentioned as if they are exceptions to EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.

Hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are mentioned in Ad Gentes as if they are exceptions to Traditional Mission and EENS.

So we must remember this point when we read Vatican Council II.Do not read Vatican Council II superficially.

Secondly, do not interpret hypothetical cases as being practical exceptions to EENS. They cannot be exceptions.

In this way Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX etc) and not a rupture.

if you use the false premise i.e  project hypothetical cases as being objective in the present times(2020), then you create the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.This is independent of the Council-text.

So irrespective, if you are a liberal or conservative Catholic, if you use the false premise Vatican Council II becomes a rupture with with Tradition and if you avoid this error, there is a continuity with the strict interpreation of EENS.-Lionel Andrades

Banished to the monastery ? : Bishop who criticized the Covid restrictions on funerals and lockdown in general sent to Africa

Venerazione S.Croce - Međugorje - Venerdì 4 Dicembre 2020 - fra Boris Barun

The popes from Paul VI to Francis have made a mistake

 There is nothing in the entire text of Vatican Council II (Lumen Gentium, Unitatatis Redintigratio, Nostra Aetate, Ad Gentes etc) to contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There is nothing also to contradict the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation. 

There is nothing also to  contradict the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and nor the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27Q). 

The popes from Paul VI to Francis have made a mistake. -Lionel Andrades

JUNE 9, 2020

An exception must exist in a particular place for it to be an exception : CDF has got it wrong

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/06/an-exception-must-exist-in-particular.html

NOVEMBER 30, 2019

Even when they know that there cannot be practical exceptions to EENS - they have to say that there are exceptions ( Graphics )

-Lionel Andrades

 NOVEMBER 28, 2019

For Cardinal Raymond Burke, Archbishop Giacomo Morandi, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Fr. John Zuhlsdorf, Roberto dei Mattei and numerous others there are visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). Visible? But where are they seen ?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/for-cardinal-raymond-burke-archbishop.html

OCTOBER 31, 2019

There are no arguments to support exceptions to EENS. There cannot be any objective exception, whatever is the argument

OCTOBER 31, 2019

EWTN's Tragic Errors of Leonard Feeney by Fr. William Most present arguments which cannot be practical exceptions to EENS, they cannot violate Newton's Laws of Physics

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/ewtns-tragic-errors-of-leonard-feeney.html

 AUGUST 10, 2018

The moment you say that BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS you infer that they refer to known people, visible people saved outside the Catholic Church : invisible people cannot be exceptions (Graphics)

 

-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 10, 2018

Chris Ferrara, Mons.Clifford Joseph Fenton, Fr. John Hardon, Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, Michael Davis, Dietrich von Hildebrand, Attila Guimares, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, John Vennari and others did not know about it

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/chris-ferrara-monsclifford-joseph.html

There is nothing in the entire text of Vatican Council II to contradict the strict intepretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) today, during the pontificate of Pope Francis, has made a mistake.They contradict the CDF of the 1930's and past centuries( Holy Office). Since the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance in the Baltimore Catechism,the Catechism of Trent and the Catechism of Pope Pius X are not objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS. A correction of itself is needed from the CDF

 There is nothing in the entire text of Vatican Council II to contradict the strict intepretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) today, during the pontificate of Pope Francis, has made a mistake.They contradict the CDF of the 1930's  and past centuries( Holy Office). Since the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance in the Baltimore Catechism,the Catechism of Trent and the Catechism of Pope Pius X are not objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS. A correction of itself is needed from the CDF. -Lionel Andrades

  

Pope Benedict made a mistake. We have discovered the MISSING LINK. We now know how the hermeneutic of rupture emerges

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The conflict has arisen from the fact that “two contrary hermeneutics came face to face and quarrelled with each other. ”

Lionel: Correct. One was with the false premise and the other was without it. So the conclusion of both had to be different.

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On the one hand there was a “hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture.” On the other, a “hermeneutic of reform, of renewal in the continuity of the one subject-Church.”

Lionel: False.False and false again.

This is the conclusion of the use of a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II.

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According to the first hermeneutic "it would be necessary not to follow the texts of the Council but its spirit,” making room for “impulses toward the new” that are seen as underlying the texts, “in which, to reach unanimity, it was found necessary to keep and reconfirm many old things that are now pointless.”

Lionel: Without the false premise there is no 'spirit of Vatican Council II', no 'development of doctrine' etc. Pope Benedict is a Cushingite. His interpretation of Vatican Council II was with the false premise.

The secret is now out. It is only a question of time before the  theological house of cards collapses.

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/we-all-know-that-there-is-hermeneutic.html



https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/we-all-know-that-there-is-hermeneutic.html




https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/we-all-know-that-there-is-hermeneutic.html

JULY 5, 2020

We know that there is a hermeneutic of discontinuity with Vatican Council II and the pope is still trying to defend the Council interpreted with the false premise,inference and conclusion. He is not disclosing the secret for the discontinuity, the precise cause

from Sandro Magister's blog, Il Settimo Cieli

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/we-all-know-that-there-is-hermeneutic.html

 JULY 8, 2020

MISSING LINK DISCOVERED ( Graphics )

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/missing-link-discovered-graphics.html