Friday, June 30, 2017

Catholic Apologetics Which Is Non-Apologetical -2
























-Lionel Andrades

Tridentine Rite Mass in Rome is a sacrilege : needs to be challenged canonically

No priest in Rome would want to give his telephone number to defend the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) or to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church I mentioned in a previous blog post 1. In the catechesis which they are permitted they assume that there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS in 2017. They are only allowed to teach an irrationality at the churches.They have to say that invisible for us baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, are visible exceptions to EENS. They must teach that these invisible cases are objective exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church. It is only with this irrationality that they are permitted by the Jewish Left and ecclesiastical Masonry to teach Catholic children the Catholic faith.No priest will give the parish phone number to explain the Catholic faith or defend a pamphlet which says all non Catholics need to enter the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) to avoid the fires of Hell for salvation, and there are no known exceptions in 2017.



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They cannot cite Vatican Council II or the Jewish Left rabbis and their supporters in Italy will object. Here is the passage in Vatican Council II which is in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441) but it is kept a secret.
7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

Every Catholic priest has to interpret the following passage in red as referring to a known case.He then has to infer that this physically visible case, this known person,  is an exception to the passage above from Ad Gentes 7.It is only then he can teach children.

Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

If the passage in red is interpreted as being an invisible case in 2017 and so is  not an explicit exception to the dogma EENS and the orthodox passage above from Ad Gentes 7, then the  Catholic lay person or religious is not allowed to teach children the faith.
The passage in red has to be interpreted as 1) being objective in 2017 and 2) referring to someone saved outside the Church. So it becomes relevant to the dogma EENS.It is only then that the priest can teach catechism to the children or permit the nuns to do so.
So if there is a lay man like me who would want to teach catechism or who would want to distribute information on the faith stating that the passage in red refers to invisible cases in 2017, the priest will not provide premises to teach catechism, nor will he give his contact number for enquiries.
Why not? Since this irrational teaching is being protected by the Vicariate in Rome, the CDF/Ecclesia Dei and the Vatican Curia. For political reasons it is over seen by the rabbis Lara and Segni who are associated with Israel.They can use the Anti Semitism card when and however they want to.
So what is being taught to children in Catholic catechism classes is not really magisterial, it is not in harmony  for example with the magisterium of the 16th century. Instead it is political.

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This is the position of the FSSP traditionalist  parish in Rome where the Australian Fr. Joseph Kramer is the Parish Priest. I last saw him for the March for Life with his parishioners.He has to interpret the passage in red as referring to explicit cases.Then he has to infer that these 'objective' cases are physically visible exceptions to the dogma EENS.They would have to be physically visible to be exceptions.So he remains politically correct with the Left and offers this modernist Latin Mass at Santissima dei Pellegrini church.
In catechesis 1) he denies the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS and interprets Vatican Council II with an irrational premise( Cushingism) and has 2) changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed ( Cushingism) to be allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.It is only because he has compromised on doctrine and theology that he is permitted to offer Mass as a break with the ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the 16th century.
Canonically a parishioner needs to challenge him. Since with first class heresy ( changing the Nicene Creed, changing or denying a de fide dogma like EENS, re-interpreting Vatican Council II with an irrationality when a rational choice is available...) his Mass is a sacrilege and is permitted only because it is a sacrilege and a rupture with Tradition.It is allowed by a corrupt magisterium.
I have mentioned all this before and have e-mailed him and the other FSSP priests in his parish.2 No one in the parish comments or denies what I have written. Since their priority is offering Holy Mass at any cost and pleasing the Vicariate and the Vatican.They know that the ecclesiology of their Tridentine Rite Mass is the same as the Novus Ordo Mass.It is a rupture with Tradition.
Also they know that in Catechism classes they are teaching errors.The passage in red above is an exception to the orthodox passage in Ad Gentes 7. They repeat the same error with Lumen Gentium 14 etc.They, the FSSP do all this only to stay in their religious career and not be transferred or suspended by a politicised hierarchy in Rome.-Lionel Andrades


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No priest in Rome will give his telephone number

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/06/no-priest-in-rome-will-give-his_30.html

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MARCH 27, 2015

Fr.Joseph Kramer and the FSSP priests in Rome agree with me : he has to say there are exceptions to the dogma, he has to use an irrational premise and inference to interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/frjoseph-kramer-and-fssp-priests-in.html

MARCH 27, 2015

Fr.Joseph Kramer and the FSSP priests in Rome agree with me : he has to say there are exceptions to the dogma, he has to use an irrational premise and inference to interpret Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/frjoseph-kramer-and-fssp-priests-in.html

 AUGUST 29, 2012
IMPEDIMENT IN THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/impediment-in-traditional-latin-mass.html

 DECEMBER 9, 2015


The present traditional Latin Mass is modernist
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/the-present-traditional-latin-mass-is.html


http://roma.fssp.it/sacerdoti/

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Francis Theology: A Theologian Close To Benedict XVI As

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Monsignor Livio Melina, the former President of the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family, who was sacked by Pope Francis, spoke on Jun 12th at the meeting of the Polish moral theologians in Nysa about the controversial document Amoris Laetitia. Melina is very appreciated by Benedict XVI, whose collaborator he was at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

In his talk, Melina quoted Pope Francis' preference for a "bruised, hurting and dirty Church that was out on the streets" (EG 49). He comments: After Amoris Laetitia "it can hardly be denied that the situation in pastoral care as well as in moral theology is now "bruised, hurting and dirty". For Melina, "it is not certain that this will lead to a renewal of pastoral care."

Cardinal Kasper's interpretation of Amoris Laetitia as a paradigm shift or development of the teaching of John Paul II, Melina calls - quote - "a mere ploy" which leaves the question unanswered, how a sacramental discipline that until now was excluded, especially by John Paul II, should now be admitted.

Melina criticizes voices claiming that Amoris Laetitia only regards the pastoral care and does not touch doctrine. Quote, "Doctrine is thus relegated to the museum of precious treasures, but irrelevant for human life." But a pastoral care without doctrine is eventually reduced to a power play, Melina warns.

The opinion, that access to the sacraments should be left to the judgment of each one's conscience, does not convince Melina. He points out that, this way, the truth, based on divine revelation, is subjected to the private conscience. Consequently, Melina argues, that the priestly words in the sacrament of confession "I absolve you" would have no sense. The priest should rather say, "I take notice that your conscience absolves you."
https://gloria.tv/language/S2mQ8XjTcSwL3q8noxk8XEbJo

No priest in Rome will give his telephone number

No priest in Rome would want to give his telephone number to defend the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church. All the catechesis they are permitted to do assumes that there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS in 2017. They are only allowed to teach at the churches that invisible for us baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church to avoid the fires of Hell. It is only with this irrational condition that they are permitted by the Jewish Left and ecclesiastical Masonry to teach Catholic children the Catholic faith.

No priest will give the parish phone number to explain the Catholic faith or defend a pamphlet which says all non Catholics need to enter the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) to avoid the fires of Hell: for salvation.
They cannot cite Vatican Council II or the Jewish Left rabbis and their supporters in Italy will object. Here is the passage in Vatican Council II which is in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441)- but don't tell.
7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

Every Catholic priest has to interpret the following passage in red as referring to a known case.He then has to infer that it is an exception to the passage above from Ad Gentes 7.It is only then he can teach children.

Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

If the passage in red is interpreted as being invisible cases in 2017 and so are not explicit exceptions to the dogma EENS and the orthodox passage above from Ad Gentes 7, the Catholic is not allowed to teach children the faith.
The passage in red has to be interpreted as 1) being objective in 2017 and 2) referring to someone saved outside the Church. So it becomes relevant to the dogma EENS.It is only then that the priest can teach children catechism.
So if there is a lay man like me who would want to teach catechism or who would want to distribute information on the faith stating that the passage in red refers to invisible cases in 2017, the priest will not provide space in church to teach catechism and nor will he give his contact number for enquiries.
Why not? Since this irrational teaching is being protected by the Vicariate in Rome and also the CDF/Ecclesia Dei and the Vatican Curia. For political reasons it is overseen by the rabbis Lara and Segni who are associated with Israel.They can use the Anti Semitism card when and however they want to.
So what is being taught to children in catechism classes is not really magisterial, it is not in harmony  for example with the magisterium of the 16th century. Instead it is political.
-Lionel Andrades

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 JUNE 29, 2017


Pamphlet problems : no priest available

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/06/pamphlet-problems-no-priest-available.html


Thursday, June 29, 2017

Pamphlet problems : no priest available

If I would make a pamphlet citing Dominus Iesus and the CDF Notification on Jacques Dupuis saying non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation and if I would want to distribute it among Catholics for their education in Rome,would any Catholic priest  allow me to use his name and telephone number as a resource person?
I do not know of any priest who offers the Traditional Latin Mass who would allow me to use his telephone and contact number.I know of a few who refused.
I made the pamphlets. I went ahead. It was some years back. I did not have a place to stay.I knew what I had written in the pamphlet was the teachings of the Catholic Church.It went something like this:The Catholic Church teaches that all Jews,Muslims....need to convert into the Church for salvation ( Dominius Iesus 20, CDF, Notification 2001).But I neeed a telephone number and contact person who would answer questions on this religious subject.I did not have a cell phone and neither do I have one now.
I did not know of any priest who would help.
At that time I would attend the Traditional Latin Mass on Sunday mornnings  held by Mons. Ignacio Barreiro at San Giuseppe a Capo le Casa, Rome and the one daily every morning held by Fr. Joseph Kramer FSSP at San Gregerio Murialdo, Rome( I don't know if I have got that name correct).There was an American priest there at that time as Fr.Kramer's assistant.
I asked this young priest if I could use his name and telephone number. He refused.
I told him he was a priest and should not be afraid. My name was already there on the pamphlet.He refused. Also Fr. Kramer refused.
I went ahead and placed their telephone number on the pamphlet and distributed it. The last place I distributed it was at the Church of San Silvestro in Rome, they have Mass in English and are noted liberals.
Fr.Kramer got the expected phone call/s. He was not going to defend Catholic doctrine in public. In private may be.He was not going to defend me.
He asked me to room my computer which I stored at that church and remove anything else I had there.It had to be done by the evening.He was there in the evening, with a scowl, to make sure I followed his instructions.
Summorum Pontificum had been released and this was the first FSSP church.It was small church in a blind alley.Virginia Loda who organises the annual March for Life was among the few people who would attend.
Then I made another pamphlet and I again needed a priest to defend  my quotations from Dominus Iesus and the CDF Notification on Dupuis I quoted Mons.Ignacio Barreiro. He had written an article for an SSPX publication.
He got the phone calls.
He told me again to remove my computer, which my sister had sent me, and which I had stored at the HLI office in Rome since I had no place of my own.He was not going to defend what I had written even though it was the teaching of the Church and he was in agreement with it.He did not want me to quote him.
This was all some 10 years back.
Nothing has changed.
I find myself still - as the only person writing on what I have been writing.
At about that time time I was told not to enter the premises of the Regina Apostolorum University Rome because of the same pamphlet which affirms an unpopular subject.No Legion of Christ priest whom I knew would want to be quoted.
So now when I say that Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) is in line with EENS( Feeneyite), the Emperor has not clothes!!-who cares.No one is going to come out in the open and affirm it.
No priest is going to say at the pulpit or in writing that outside the Church there is no salvation and this is the official teaching of Vatican Council II without the strange and made premise.
No priest.
Today morning at Mass the priest prayed for the pope and he prayed for all priests and he prayed for evangelisation.
And I pray for him and all priests here that they may have the courage to proclaim the hard teachings of the  Catholic Faith - inspite, of everything.-Lionel Andrades









The story behind the hymn, What a Friend We Have in Jesus..flv

The story behind the hymn, What a Friend We Have in Jesus..flv






REPOST : PADRE PIO SAID THAT MARTIN LUTHER IS IN HELL AND CHRISTIANS WHO FOLLOW HIM WILL MEET THE SAME END- Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I, founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate

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JANUARY 28, 2013

PADRE PIO SAID THAT MARTIN LUTHER IS IN HELL AND CHRISTIANS WHO FOLLOW HIM WILL MEET THE SAME END- Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I, founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate
Padre Pio said that Martin Luther is in Hell and Christians today who follow him will meet the same end.

Those who do not submit themself to the pope and the teachings of the Catholic Church are also going to Hell.


Father Stefano Manelli F.I founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate writes that Martin Luther who called himself Pope Luther 1and condemned the pope of Rome, as going to Hell, was a great heretic.


Fr.Manelli in Il Settimanale di Padre Pio (Jan.20,2013 p.1) said that Christians today who follow Luther are also on the way to Hell.

Fr.Manelli in the Italian weekly , mentioned that Padre Pio said those Christians who believe they can speak directly with God are also going to Hell.

Luther believed he could speak directly with God. He  was precipitated into Hell said Padre Pio.


Fr.Stefano Manelli in his weekly column Il Pensiero di Padre Pio,Pianeta Padre Pio, wrote that  Padre Pio criticized those Christians who believe they can speak directly to God and receive instructions and do not have to submit to the authority of the pope.

This is also a dangerous road writes Fr.Manelli for Christians who believe they are in communion with God without his Vicar and the Catholic Church. They are mistaken and this is an illusion for them,as it is known, he writes, outside the church there is no salvation.

On this point, Padre Pio, with simple words, which were terrible, said that those who believe they can communicate with God directly, are on the way to Hell.

Luther's end was horrible and frightening, he writes, but this will also be the same history of many Christians and Catholics who believe in the teachings of Luther.They risk also going to Hell like Luther, for not listening to the pope.


We need to understand the words of Jesus, in which he delegated St.Peter and his successors the guarantee of a unique Catholic Faith in the Church.(Lk.22,32).This is the guarantee and confirmation given to the popes which is secure and infallible and no one will be lost to Hell who remains with the pope in the Catholic Church.

'Thou art Peter,' said Jesus, ' and upon this rock I will build my Church,and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it' (Mt.16,18).

Fr.Stefano Manelli, who personally knew the saint, said Padre Pio had kept a picture of the pope on his little working table..So always before him was the message,'After Jesus comes the Pope'.(Dopo Gesù viene il papa).

Even we , suggests Fr.Manelli, should quickly free ourself from everything which is far from the pope and not supporting the pope.Even we should value the motto of Padre Pio, 'After Jesus comes the pope'. -Lionel Andrades
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/search/label/Hell?updated-max=2014-05-17T20:21:00%2B01:00&max-results=20&start=77&by-date=false

L'inferno visto da Santa Veronica Giuliani è la stessa di quelle viste oggi da molte persone su Youtube


L'inferno visto da Santa Veronica Giuliani è la stessa di quelle viste oggi da molte persone su Youtube

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L’inferno? “Sarà sempre così. Sempre, sempre, sempre”, parola di Santa Veronica Giuliani – Oracolo di Cooperatores Veritatis
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I veggenti di Medjugorje vedono il fuoco nell'Inferno: così fece Lucia a Fatima, Faustina Kowalska, Giovanni Bosco, Veronica Giuliani, Teresa d'Avila, Dante …



I veggenti di Medjugorje vedono il fuoco nell'Inferno: così fece Lucia a Fatima,  Faustina Kowalska,  Giovanni Bosco,  Veronica Giuliani,  Teresa d'Avila, Dante …
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Rome must be canonically asked to come back to the Faith : feast of St. Peter and St. Paul 2017


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This Feast of St. Peter and St. Paul 2017 is another year gone by.It is time to canonically 'ask Rome to come back to the faith'.What is being taught at Catechism classes must be challenged and corrected.
Here are the basic errors with an irrational theology and new doctrine.
1.The theology is based on an irrational premise.
2.There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II. One is irrational and the other is rational.The irrational one is being taught to children at Catechism classes with the approval of the bishops and the two living popes.
Since an irrational theology has been approved by the Vatican there are new doctrines on salvation,ecumenism, inter-religious dialogue, non exclusivist ecclesiology,mission,interpretation of Scripture,separation of Church and state,non proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation etc.With an irrational premise which can be avoided in future, the Catholic faith has been changed.
Here is the practical application of the new theology and doctrines which needs to be checked.
1.Bishops must not be allowd to violate the Principle of Non Contradictioin and get away with it.
2.Before there is a Profession of Faith or a Renewal of Vows by a Catholic religious  based on the Nicene Creed , their understanding of the Nicene Creed must be clarified.
3.The Vatican must correct the March 2016 statement by Pope Benedict XVI in which he said that with Vatican Council II (Note:Cushingite) there was a development of the dogma EENS( Cushingite).He was interpreting Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.
The Vatican and the bishops need to clarify that with Vatican Councl II (Feeneyite) there is no development of the dogma EENS (Feeneyite).
4.Pope Benedict XVI also needs to correct the error in two theological papers of the International Theological Commision which he approved.It violates the Principle of Non Contradiction.They wrongly assume invisible people saved with the baptism of desire, blood or in invincible ignorance, are visible, seen in the flesh exceptions to all needing to be members of the Church for salvation.So they are examples of known salvation outside the Church for Pope Benedict.
Canonically in individual dioceses the bishops must be confronted with the faith.They must be shown rational and traditional doctines which are different from their irrational and innovative new teachings based on being able to see invisible people on earth on 2017.
I am available to freely help any one prepare a brief.
For example they must be asked to interpret Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance) as referring to a hypothetical case.It can be accepted in principle as being a theoretical case known only to God.
They must not be allowed to intepret Lumen Gentium 16 as referring to a known person in 2016 who has been saved outside the Church and so is an exception to the past ecclesiology.The bishop must be asked to affirm this simply truth in public.-Lionel Andrades
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