Monday, December 27, 2021

Chrism Mass at the Cathedral

 

CHRISM MASS AT THE   CATHEDRAL

The Ecclesia Dei communities could contact the Comitato dell Immaculata, Rome. They have an understanding with a bishop, where their seminary and old church building is located.May be the Latin Mass will be available again in the  parish with the approval of the bishop.

The lay organization Comitato dell Immaculata permit the adjoining new church of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea to function physically, infrastructure-wise. This is done in cooperation with Mons. Gianrico Ruzza, Apostolic Administrator of the diocese of Porto –Santa Rufina and Mons. Gino Reali, the emeritus bishop of Porta Santa Rufino.

A large part of the premises is owned by the Comitato where the church Santa Maria di Nazareth, has Holy Mass in Italian.This is in the diocese of Porta Santa Rufina.

The Latin Mass is no more available in the parish but the Latin Mass is not banned in Rome. So maybe once again the Latin Mass could be made there in the parish, with the approval of Mons. Gianrico Ruzza, who is also the bishop of Civitavecchia-Tarquinia, Italy. The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP), Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (ICTKSP) etc could use the old church building or the seminary chapel, which is dusty and unused. Then there are the Franciscans of the Immaculate also, which is not technically an Ecclesia Dei community and had been offering Holy Mass in Italian and Latin in the parish.

But if the Ecclesia Dei communities or the Franciscans of the Immaculate, were to come to this parish, with the approval of all concerned, are they going to concelebrate at the Chrism Mass in the cathedral ? Bishop Gian Ruzza and the diocesan priests must agree to interpret Vatican Council II and Magisterial Documents, with the Rational Premise, in harmony with Tradition.This is the tradition which the Ecclesia Dei communities and the Franciscans of the Immaculate support.

This could be easy for the diocesan priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass in Italian. They simply have to interpret Church documents with a Rational Premise, and then affirm them, with their traditional conclusion. There will then be no break with the Jesuit missionaries of the 16th century. Their ecclesiology will be the same as the initial nine centuries, when England was Catholic.

However Mons. Gianricco Ruzza must first affirm the Catholic faith. This is a political issue. But this is also a chance for doctrinal and theological unity among all priests. There will no more be two sets of doctrines; Vatican Council II with or without the False Premise, extra ecclesiam nulla salus with or without the Rational Premise, the Catechism of the Catholic Church in harmony or in a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Athanasius Creed, compatible or incompatible with the Catechism of Pope Pius X and the Nicene Creed, a break or continuity with the past.

The good Joseleitos de Cristo priests from Brazil, would gain from the doctrinal unity being encouraged by the bishops. The hard working priests from Brazil could follow traditional Church doctrine in harmony with Vatican Council II interpreted rationally. –Lionel Andrades

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DECEMBER 27, 2021

Traditionis Custode does not permit ordinations under the old rite since the concern is that the priests will no more support schism and heresy.

 


Fr.Sabino Ardito, the Commissar for the Franciscans of the Immaculate was present about a year back in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome,  for the Renewal of the Vows of some of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. Then there also was the ordination to the priesthood , of some of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate a few months back at the basilica of the Sacred Heart of the Salesians, in front of Termini, Rome. I knew most of them. I would meet them on the bus and in the church. They will offer Holy Mass in Italian and not the Traditional Latin Mass, which was once offered in the same seminary when Fr. Settimo Mannelli f.i was the Rector and Parish Priest.


They were ordained because they agreed to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and not with a Rational Premise.So they had to reject the Creeds, Catechisms, the dogma EENS, the Catechisms (interpreted rationally) and Vatican Council II interpreted in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors and the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.

 Traditionis Custode does not permit ordinations under the old rite since the concern is that the priests will no more support schism and heresy. The concern is that if there are new priests who are traditionalists they will reject Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise,like the FSSP at Dijon, France,  and go back to Tradition and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. They will return to Catholic Tradition without Vatican Council II irrational.

The new ordained priests of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate-one from Europe and the others from Africa, have to accept the Ratzinger theology and interpret the Council with the False Premise and then accept the nontraditional conclusion. They would also teach it in the parish during First Communion classes.They were unable to teach the First Communicants that every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation ( Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,848, 1257).

 The FSSP and SSPX have to follow the new Novus Ordo rite of ordination according to Traditionis Custode. They already interpret Vatican Council II with the Irrational Premise but reject the non conclusion and go back to Tradition.

The newly ordained priests who lived at the seminary in Boccea, Rome and have now moved out, since the Comitato del Immaculata wanted it , know about the Vatican Council II interpreted with the Rational Premise, but they also know that politically it is not permitted. So they choose to be ordained while rejecting the Athanasius Creed ( all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation), change the understanding of the Nicene Creed and promote a new version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus with hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, not being hypothetical.Then they have to interpret the Catechisms and Vatican Council II as a break with the Syllabus of Errors, instead of with a hermeneutic of continuity.These are mortal sins of faith.The Comitato del Immaculata could ask the bishop of the diocese to affirm the Catholic faith and encourage in the priests and religious sisters, in the parish at Casalotti to do the same at Holy Mass in Italian. The Latin Mass is still not permitted at the old church and seminary chapel in the parish.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/12/traditionis-custode-does-not-permit.html


Traditionis Custode does not permit ordinations under the old rite since the concern is that the priests will no more support schism and heresy.

 


Fr.Sabino Ardito, the Commissar for the Franciscans of the Immaculate was present about a year back in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome,  for the Renewal of the Vows of some of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. Then there also was the ordination to the priesthood , of some of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate a few months back at the basilica of the Sacred Heart of the Salesians, in front of Termini, Rome. I knew most of them. I would meet them on the bus and in the church. They will offer Holy Mass in Italian and not the Traditional Latin Mass, which was once offered in the same seminary when Fr. Settimo Mannelli f.i was the Rector and Parish Priest.


They were ordained because they agreed to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and not with a Rational Premise.So they had to reject the Creeds, Catechisms, the dogma EENS, the Catechisms (interpreted rationally) and Vatican Council II interpreted in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors and the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.

 Traditionis Custode does not permit ordinations under the old rite since the concern is that the priests will no more support schism and heresy. The concern is that if there are new priests who are traditionalists they will reject Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise,like the FSSP at Dijon, France,  and go back to Tradition and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. They will return to Catholic Tradition without Vatican Council II irrational.

The new ordained priests of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate-one from Europe and the others from Africa, have to accept the Ratzinger theology and interpret the Council with the False Premise and then accept the nontraditional conclusion. They would also teach it in the parish during First Communion classes.They were unable to teach the First Communicants that every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation ( Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,848, 1257).

 The FSSP and SSPX have to follow the new Novus Ordo rite of ordination according to Traditionis Custode. They already interpret Vatican Council II with the Irrational Premise but reject the non conclusion and go back to Tradition.

The newly ordained priests who lived at the seminary in Boccea, Rome and have now moved out, since the Comitato del Immaculata wanted it , know about the Vatican Council II interpreted with the Rational Premise, but they also know that politically it is not permitted. So they choose to be ordained while rejecting the Athanasius Creed ( all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation), change the understanding of the Nicene Creed and promote a new version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus with hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, not being hypothetical.Then they have to interpret the Catechisms and Vatican Council II as a break with the Syllabus of Errors, instead of with a hermeneutic of continuity.These are mortal sins of faith.The Comitato del Immaculata could ask the bishop of the diocese to affirm the Catholic faith and encourage in the priests and religious sisters, in the parish at Casalotti to do the same at Holy Mass in Italian. The Latin Mass is still not permitted at the old church and seminary chapel in the parish.-Lionel Andrades