Saturday, March 24, 2018

Vatican in agreement

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See. There is no denial from the Vatican.
1. They agree that Lumen Gentium 8 is not an exception to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church on salvation.
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2.They agree that all Catholic religious communities and lay Movements can interpret LG 8  as not being an exception or relevant to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
Vatican Council II can be interpreted  in harmony with EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.
Vatican Council II is also in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors and an ecumenism of return.-Lionel Andrades


MARCH 21, 2018





Like Vatican Council II, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 can be interpreted with the for and against EENS method or the for and neutral to EENS method , with or without the Ladaria Error, with or without the false premise and the conclusion will be different

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/like-vatican-council-ii-letter-of-holy.html









MARCH 17, 2018



Liberalism based on Cushingite Vatican Council II is obsolete.The average Catholic, the rank and file Catholic is intelligent enough to know what is rational and who is faking it

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/liberalism-based-on-cushingite-vatican.html



 MARCH 17, 2018




Sedevacantism based on Vatican Council II(Cushingite), with the for and against EENS method of reading the text will become obsolete.Traditionalists and liberals too will have to switch to for and neutral to EENS method

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/sedevacantism-based-on-vatican-council.html


 MARCH 18, 2018















Sedevacantism and the old traditionalism is obsolete : new option for Franciscans of the Immaculate and all religious communities

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/secularism-and-old-traditionalism-is.html


Repost : Holy Trinity Seminary does not clarify if they refer to Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8 is visible or invisible




OCTOBER 10, 2015


Holy Trinity Seminary does not clarify if they refer to Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8 is visible or invisible


from the website of the sedevacantist Most Holy Trinity Seminary, Florida, USA.
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Most Holy Trinity Seminary was founded in 1995 in order to provide priestly training for young men who thoroughly reject Vatican II,(in which Lumen Gentium  16 ( invincible ignorance), Lumen Gentium 8 (elements of sancification and truth, in other religions)  etc refer to explicit cases instead of invisible cases.For me it is Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8 refer to invisible cases.Let me qualify this at the outset.) its reforms, and the Modernist hierarchy which promulgates them.(the modernism comes from assuming LG 16, LG 8 are visible instead of visible) This position is in contrast to the seminaries of traditionalist groups that operate with the approval of the Modernist hierarchy, or who seek this approval.( they also assume LG 16, LG 8 are visible instead of invisible. So Vatican Council II ( with the irrationality) becomes a break with Tradition)
The Seminary trains priests according to pre-Vatican II standards.( but they also accept the Baltimore Catechism and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with the same irrationality) Its rule, discipline, spiritual formation, and academic curriculum imitate faithfully those which were in effect in seminaries before the Second Vatican Council.( before 1808 there were no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. For the seminary the baptism of desire and baptism of blood are exceptions. This is an innovation) By training priests in this manner, the seminary hopes to contribute to the solution to the problem of the nearly universal desintegration of Catholic faith, morals, discipline, and liturgy  which the Second Vatican Council has caused.(When Vatican Council II is referred to it needs to be qualified that this is Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8 etc are invisible instead of visible.For me LG 16, LG 8 etc is invisible so Vatican Council II would not be a break with the pre-1808 ecclesiology in the Catholic Church).




The seminary sees that the only solution to the problem of Vatican II( in which LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc are visible and known in personal cases.This is irrational.It is also Magisterial.), however, is to condemn it as a false council( it would be a false interpretation of the Council, I agree. If I would use the irrational premise I too would get a non traditional conclusion)  which was dominated by heretics, and to discard and ignore its decrees and enactments. Consequently, the Seminary does not seek to be recognized by the heretical hierarchy which promulgates Vatican II,(also with the same irrational premise i.e LG 16 etc are visible instead of invisible and so is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the old ecclesiology which the seminary follows by excluding Vatican Council II)  nor does it seek to work with the Novus Ordo clergy, as if in a single church or religion.( since they too are using the same irrational premise but accept Vatican Council II with the same non traditional conclusion.)


The Seminary therefore repudiates the idea of the Motu Proprio Mass, or that of a fraternity of priests which has received permission or seeks permission from the Novus Ordo hierarchy to function in communion with the Modernist heretics.




The Catholic Church, in the outlook of the Seminary, will not be cured of its current problems until the hierarchical sees, particularly the papacy, are once again occupied by Catholics. For as long as Modernist heretics possess the mere appearance of authority which they now possess, the problem of Vatican II (with LG 16 visible instead of invisible)will continue. In the meantime the Seminary, as well as the priests who emanate from it, shall abhor even the suggestion of an official recognition from the Novus Ordo hierarchy(which interprets Vatican Council II irrationally like the seminary), or of a compromise with the Modernists, whom St. Pius X called the “most pernicious of all the enemies of the Church,” who are striving “utterly to subvert the very Kingdom of Christ.”


http://www.mostholytrinityseminary.org/home.html



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An innovation was made in the Baltimore Catechism ,accepted in the Catechism of Pope Pius XII became Magisterial in 1949 at Boston and was included in Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/an-innovation-was-made-in-baltimore.html


















Repost : Schismatic Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j does not have the faith: We need to ask the CDF and the Conferences of Catholic Bishops to interpret magisterial documents rationally.Then there is no schism with the past popes

MARCH 6, 2018


Schismatic Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j does not have the faith: We need to ask the CDF and the Conferences of Catholic Bishops to interpret magisterial documents rationally.Then there is no schism with the past popes


Schismatic Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j does not have the faith.He has accepted the schismatic Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which infers that unknown people are known exceptions to the traditional teaching, on the Catholic Church having the superiority in salvation. 1

He then interprets Vatican Council II with  hypothetical references being non hypothetical.He uses the invisible people are visible premise. If he avoided this error Vatican Council II would not be a rupture with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.

So at the Press Conference on Placuit Deo, last Thursday, in response to the question by a lady journalist from the Associated Press, he projected Lumen Gentium 8 as an exception to the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.There was no superiority of the Catholic Church in salvation for him.  

Unlike me he interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a rupture with the dogma EENSand the old ecclesiology of the Church. He does this by assuming references to invisible people are not visible. They are examples of salvation outside the Church,for Cardinal Ladaria, even though no one knows them in real life.3

This is how Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger  also reasons. It is expressed in the theological papers of the International Theological Commission and also in  Redemptoris Missio and Dominus.





We need to ask the CDF and the Conferences of Catholic Bishops to interpret magisterial documents rationally.Then there is no schism with the past popes.
We need to ask all Catholic religious communities to do the same.
-Lionel Andrades






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MARCH 6, 2018

Cardinal Ladaria does not have any theological basis to reject the teaching on the superiority of the Catholic Church in salvation.Lumen Gentium 8 is not an exception to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/cardinal-ladaria-does-not-have-any.html




MARCH 4, 2018

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If Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j had used the For and Neutral to EENS approach Lumen Gentium 8 would not be a rupture with the old teaching on the superiority and exclusiveness of salvation in the Catholic Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/if-cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-had-used.html


 MARCH 3, 2018

Archbishop Luis Francisco Ladaria Ferrer, Cardinal Muller's Replacement at the CDF

Hilary White like Cardinal Ladaria interprets Vatican Council II with the for and against EENS method instead of the for and neutral to EENS method.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/hilary-white-like-cardinal-ladaria.html

JANUARY 26, 2018

Hilary White and Massimo Faggioli interpret the Catechism, Vatican Council II and Letter of the Holy Office with hypothetical cases not being hypothetical : so there is a rupture with Tradition (with graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/hilary-white-and-massimo-faggioli.html



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