Friday, September 25, 2020

For Archbishop Vigano there is known salvation in other religions

 Archbishop Carlo Vigano and his group of Lefebvrists do not state that all non Catholics are oriented to Hell  without faith and baptism (AG 7).Instead Vigano suggests that hypothetical cases , saved by 'the desire' are objective examples of salvation outside the Church and exceptions to exclusive salvation.This is how Cardinal Ratzinger and the liberals would interpret Nostra Aetate and Lumen Gentium 16.

In his case and that of the Lefebvrists, it's not enough to say outside the Church there is no salvation.They need to clarify if they mean outside the Church there is no salvation, with or without exceptions.

For me hypothetical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II are not objective exceptions to exclusive salvation.I have said it often on this blog.

Vigano practically holds the liberal position and that of the Left.For him there is known salvation in other religions,including pagan ones.It would have to be 'known' and not just speculative, since he cannot affirm EENS with no exceptions.

Without the exceptions, there would be no New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Theology , New Evangelisation etc.

It's only with the false premise( what is unknown is considered known) that there is the New Ecumenism etc and the rejection of the traditionalist exclusivist ecclesiology. This is Cushingism and Vigano is a Cushingite.So he interprets Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition ( EENS Feeneyite, Syllabus of Error Feeneyite etc).

He and his group of Lefebvrists do not acknowledge the existence of the false premise and its common use by them.

Since with God all things are possible, he can assume that there is salvation outside the Church in other religions - but the moment he postulates this as an exception  EENS for us human beings, it is an error.Since there can be no practical exceptions to EENS for us humans.The norm for salvation is faith and the baptism of water, which is practical and knowable.

It is with this point that a rupture is created with the Church Fathers adn Doctors of the Church who did not mix up what is hypothetical as being objective.

It was Cardinal Ratzinger and the liberals who would go back in time and re-interpret the saints and popes, when they mentioned the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, as referring to objective and visible non Catholics saved outside the Church and exceptions to EENS. The Lefebvrists make  the same mistake. -Lionel Andrades



SEPTEMBER 25, 2020

For Archbishop Carlo Vigano hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) are objective exceptions to EENS ( extra ecclesiam nulla salus ) as it was interpreted by the Church Fathers and Doctors of the Church.This is the official rupture with Tradition. This is how Cardinal Braz de Avez wants the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate to interpret Vatican Council II. This is how Archbishops Morandi and Di Noia want the St.Benedict Center, New Hampshire, USA to interrpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church(847-848) and Vatican Council II (LG 16)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/09/for-archbishop-carlo-vigano.html

Archbishop Vigano and his group of Lefebvrists do not acknowledge the existence of the false premise and the its common use by them.

 Archbishop Vigano and his group of Lefebvrists do not acknowledge the existence of the false premise and the its common use by them.-Lionel Andrades



https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/vigano-how-is-it-that-the-bible-and-all-church-documents-can-be-questioned-except-vatican-ii

https://onepeterfive.com/vigano-critique-council/

Bishop Robert Barron and Fr.Dwight Longnecker are consulting in the bunkers. There is no defense. If they did not use the false premise and inference to interpret Vatican Council II they are radical traditionalists

 Bishop Robert Barron and Fr.Dwight Longnecker are consulting in the bunkers. There is no defense. If they did not use the false premise and inference  to interpret Vatican Council II ( hypothetical cases are objective in the present times and they are objective exceptions to EENS )they are radical traditionalists.-Lionel Andrades

Roberto dei Mattei and Christopher Ferrara wrote books on Vatican Council II interpreting the Council with a false premise and they cannot acknowledge it, deny it or issue an apology.

 Roberto dei Mattei and Christopher Ferrara wrote books on Vatican Council II interpreting the Council with a false premise and they cannot acknowledge it, deny it or issue an apology. -Lionel Andrades

Sono andato a Medjugorje per lavoro, ma non volevo andarci per paura

For Archbishop Carlo Vigano hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) are objective exceptions to EENS ( extra ecclesiam nulla salus ) as it was interpreted by the Church Fathers and Doctors of the Church.This is the official rupture with Tradition. This is how Cardinal Braz de Avez wants the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate to interpret Vatican Council II. This is how Archbishops Morandi and Di Noia want the St.Benedict Center, New Hampshire, USA to interrpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church(847-848) and Vatican Council II (LG 16)

 For Archbishop Carlo Vigano hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) are objective exceptions to EENS ( extra ecclesiam nulla salus ) as it was interpreted by the Church Fathers and Doctors of the Church.This is the official rupture with Tradition. This is how Cardinal Braz de Avez wants the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate to interpret Vatican Council II. This is how Archbishops Morandi and Di Noia want the St.Benedict Center, New Hampshire, USA to interrpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church(847-848) and Vatican Council II (LG 16). -Lionel Andrades


https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/vigano-how-is-it-that-the-bible-and-all-church-documents-can-be-questioned-except-vatican-ii

https://onepeterfive.com/vigano-critique-council/

Vigano and Kwasniewski interpret hypothetical cases ( baptism of desire ) as being objective exceptions to the Church Fathers and Doctors of the Church on EENS ( extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions ) so he is approved by the Jewish Left. This is their acceptable policy for the Urbaniania and other pontifical universities in Rome

 Vigano and Kwasniewski interpret hypothetical cases ( baptism of desire ) as being objective exceptions to the Church Fathers and Doctors of the Church on EENS ( extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions ) so he is approved by the Jewish Left. This is their acceptable policy for the Urbaniania and other pontifical universities in Rome. -Lionel Andrades


https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/vigano-how-is-it-that-the-bible-and-all-church-documents-can-be-questioned-except-vatican-ii

https://onepeterfive.com/vigano-critique-council/


 SEPTEMBER 23, 2020


Archbishop Carlo Vigano and Peter Kwasniewski have posted reports on Vatican Council II in which they have not mentioned the false premise.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/09/archbishop-carlo-vigano-and-peter.html

Peter Kwasniewski has written that the Church should take Archbishop Carlo Vigano seriously even though he has not said any thing new. If he interpreted Vatican Council II without the false premise and advised the Church to do the same, it would be something

 Peter Kwasniewski has written that the Church should take Archbishop Carlo Vigano seriously even though he has not said any thing new. If he interpreted Vatican Council II without the false premise and advised the Church to do the same, it would be something. -Lionel Andrades




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Why Viganò’s Critique of the Council Must Be Taken Seriously

https://onepeterfive.com/vigano-critique-council/

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