Monday, September 4, 2017

Wailing and grinding of teeth in the outer darkness -Jesus

September 2, 2017


GospelMT 25:14-30

Jesus told his disciples this parable:
"A man going on a journey 
called in his servants and entrusted his possessions to them.
To one he gave five talents; to another, two; to a third, one– 
to each according to his ability.
Then he went away.
Immediately the one who received five talents went and traded with them,
and made another five.
Likewise, the one who received two made another two.
But the man who received one went off and dug a hole in the ground
and buried his master's money.
After a long time 
the master of those servants came back and settled accounts with them.
The one who had received five talents
came forward bringing the additional five.
He said, 'Master, you gave me five talents.
See, I have made five more.'
His master said to him, 'Well done, my good and faithful servant.
Since you were faithful in small matters,
I will give you great responsibilities.
Come, share your master's joy.'
Then the one who had received two talents also came forward and said,
'Master, you gave me two talents.
See, I have made two more.'
His master said to him, 'Well done, my good and faithful servant.
Since you were faithful in small matters,
I will give you great responsibilities.
Come, share your master's joy.'
Then the one who had received the one talent came forward and said,
'Master, I knew you were a demanding person,
harvesting where you did not plant
and gathering where you did not scatter;
so out of fear I went off and buried your talent in the ground.
Here it is back.'
His master said to him in reply, 'You wicked, lazy servant!
So you knew that I harvest where I did not plant
and gather where I did not scatter?
Should you not then have put my money in the bank
so that I could have got it back with interest on my return?
Now then! Take the talent from him and give it to the one with ten.
For to everyone who has,
more will be given and he will grow rich;
but from the one who has not,
even what he has will be taken away.
And throw this useless servant into the darkness outside,
where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.'"



TORMENTS/HELL) THERE SHALL BE WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH 





How God got Gloria’s attention: lightning, hell’s gate and a vision of purgatory

https://www.catholicweekly.com.au/god-got-glorias-attention-lightning-hells-gate-vision-purgatory/

Christine Niles program on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus needs a follow up : irrational Wikipedia reports, SSPX canonical status , ecclesiology of Tridentine Rite Mass needs to be discussed

Mic'd Up—Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus - Church Militant

https://www.churchmilitant.com/.../micd-up-extra-ecclesiam-nulla-s...
May 13, 2015
In this week's edition of Mic'd Up, guest host Christine Niles tackles the little-discussed topic of Extra ...

Christine Niles' wonderful program on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus on Church Militant TV's  Mic'd up program  is once again available on line for non-premium members.
We now need a part two to that program, a development.
In this  Mic'd Up program from 2015 she has covered the basic ground now she can go further and discuss the other issues of the Church linked to EENS, especially Vatican Council II.
When invincible ignorance, baptism of desire and baptism of blood refer to unknown people in the present or the past they never were relevant to the dogma EENS.Similar hypothetical references in Vatican Council II(LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc) cannot be an explicit exception to the dogma EENS in 2017.Zero cases of something cannot be exceptions to the dogma EENS says the apologist John Martignoni.
Image result for Photos Christine Niles Mic'e Up
So if Vatican Council II is not an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS then the Council is traditional.Vatican Council II then does not contradict the Syllabus of Errors and the past ecclesiology of the Church.
So the issue now is : if Vatican Council II ( with hypothetical cases not explicit) is not a break with the past ecclesiology can the Society of St. Pius (SSPX) accept this version of the Council and ask for canonical status?
Can sedevacantists like MHFM, CMRI etc who have gone into sedevacantism because of Vatican Council II, now see their error and come back to the main stream Church?
Image result for Photos Christine Niles Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
Charles Coulombe who appears on this program like Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior of St. Benedict Center, Richmond,N.H interprets Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS. For them the Council is not Feeneyite.This could be discussed.
There are so many reports on Wikipedia which interpret magisterial documents with the irrationality of invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I being visible exceptions to EENS.They need to be corrected-Lionel Andrades


https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/micd-up-extra-ecclesiam-nulla-salus

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September 5, 2017

Wikipedia's new entry on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus avoids saying invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I are not relevant or exceptions to EENS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/wikipedias-new-entry-on-extra-ecclesiam.html


September 5, 2017

Formal correction of cardinals needed : understanding of salvation at Novus Ordo Mass same as St.Paul's Greek Mass


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/formal-correction-of-cardinals-needed.html

 

Saying Vatican Council II (UR 3) refers to invisible cases in 2017 is prohibited in the Catholic Church :Tridentine, Novus Ordo ecclesiology rupture with St.Paul's Greek Mass


SAYING UR 3 REFERS TO INVISIBLE CASES IS PROHIBITED IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
A priest could be suspended in Rome if he says that UR 3 refers to an invisible case and so is not an objective exception to the dogma EENS but what stops Louie Verrecchio from saying this?
Does he not want to affirm EENS because his wife is not a Catholic and he is living in adultery according to the dogma EENS, even if a priest at a Novus Ordo Mass has given him a dispensation ?
Why does he not affirm UR 3 as being a hypothetical case in 2017,is he being faithful to the error of Bishop Fellay and the SSPX?
The SSPX priests in ignorance also interpret UR 3 like Louie.This was Archbishop Lefebvre's original mistake.So is this the reason why Chris Ferrara, Michael Matt and the Rorate Caeili group will not say UR 3 refers to an unknown person in 2017?
Or are they afraid of the Jewish Left? They will be accused of being Anti Semitic.So for Fr. John Zuhlsdorf, and Bishop Morlino in the diocese of Madison,USA, invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are visible exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS ?
Image result for Photo of Fr.John Zuhlsdorf
Fr.Zuhlsdorf's understanding of salvation in the Catholic Church is a rupture with the understanding of salvation at the time of St. Paul.For the Apostles there were no personally known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I which were exceptions to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church(John 3:5).
There were no exceptions to the Church being the narrow gate and all who do not enter will be condemned(Mat.7:13).There were no exceptions to Jesus saying all who do not believe will be condemned(Mk.16:16).
 
TRIDENTINE RITE MASS ECCLESIOLOGY A RUPTURE WITH ST.PAUL
The Tridentine Rite Mass today is offered with the New Theology .It is not with the past ecclesiology of the Church when St.Paul exhorted the Colossians not to partake in an unworthy manner of the Body and Blood of Jesus.So Louie Verrecchio can face East at Mass, receive the Eucharist kneeling and on his tongue but theologially he is still seeing the Church as not being the sole Ark of Noah that saves in the flood.There is known salvation outside the Church for him and Archbishop Fernandes.This is a rupture with the past.It is also magisterial and heretical.-Lionel Andrades
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/louie-verrecchio-is-off-target-with-ur.html

 

Tridentine Rite Mass today is a rupture with the ecclesiology of the Mass in Greek of St. Paul

L'immagine può contenere: una o più persone, persone in piedi e spazio al chiuso
At Holy Mass in Greek they did not believe that invisible for us baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) were visible exceptions to Jesus' teaching on all needing the baptism of water for salvation(John 3:5),in the Catholic communities, the Early Church.
Invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I is a modern development.It has been brought into the Church with the Fr. Leonard Feeney case during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.This is the false reasoning of Vatican Council II and is now the new ecclesiology of the Church.
So the two living popes permit the Tridentine Rite Mass to be offered and so do the Jewish Left, only with the new ecclesiology i.e everyone does not need to be a member of the Church for salvation since there is known salvation outside the Church.So with the common new ecclesiology Mass is offered today in English, Latin and Greek.
Now if we revert to invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I not being visible exceptions to John 3:5, Mark 16:16 and Matt.7:13, then we are back to the old ecclesiology at Mass in Italian, Latin and Greek.We have the common past ecclesiology.
This would mean re-interpretating LG 16, LG 14, LG 8, UR 3, GS 22,NA 2, AG 11, AG 7 etc as referring to visible and not invisible people.They are not examples of known people saved outside the Church.Then the understanding of exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church at the Novus Ordo and Tridentine Rite Mass would be the same as that of Mass in Greek at the time of St. Paul and the Apostles.-Lionel Andrades
 

The Catholic Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood can be your ecclesiology at the Novus Ordo Mass

Novus Ordo Mass
The Catholic Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood can be your ecclesiology; your understanding of exclusive salvation, at the Novus Ordo Mass.
Attend Mass in the vernacular and proclaim outside the Church there is no salvation since LG 16,LG 8, LG 14 etc refer to hypothetical cases and not concrete and known people saved outside the Church.
So even if you attend Mass in English, Italian or Spanish you can affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since invisible for us baptism of desire(BOD) cannot be a visible exception to Feeneyite EENS.Invisible for us being saved in invincible ignorance cannot be a known exception to the dogma EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuit missionaries in the 16th century.
So even though you attend the New Mass of Pope Paul VI you are affirming the past ecclesiology of the Church, the old understanding of there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Every one needs to be a card carrying member, every one needs to have his name on the Parish Baptism Register.
So you can attend the Novus Ordo Mass and accept Vatican Council II with LG 16 etc being hypothetical only, and at the same time affirm the traditional centuries old interpretation of no salvation outside the Church.You can have it both ways.
You don't have to be a traditionalist or sedevacantist who rejects Vatican Council II ( with hypothetical cases being exceptions to EENS) to affirm the thrice defined dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
So attend the Novus Ordo Mass, which is the un-bloody Sacrifice of Jesus at Calvary re-enacted in an un-bloody way and proclaim exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Every one needs to be a member with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7, Vatican Council II )to avoid Hell - and there can be no known exceptions for us human beings.
Proclaim,. evangelise and conducti mission knowing that the Catholic Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood and those who are not on board are on the way to Hell.In Heaven there are only Catholics.-Lionel Andrades