Pope Francis is forced to interpret Vatican Council II rationally, for it to be Magisterial

Leonard  Boff’s progressivist ecclesiology is finished. The liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II has ended. Pope Francis is forced to interpret Vatican Council II rationally, for it to be Magisterial. He then affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) like the Jesuit Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston and the St. Benedict Center of that time. The Council is Feeneyite and no more Cushingite.

The Jesuits expelled Fr. Leonard Feeney sj from the community since he would not say he could see visible cases of the baptism of desire (BOD). There were no known BOD cases for him.

The 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston made a mistake when it projected  invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church and objective exceptions for the dogma EENS. Invisible people were projected as visible exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. This was a mistake of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (Holy Office), Vatican.

 Pope Pius XII, Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI over looked this objective mistake - and so did the popes who followed. Pope Paul VI lifted the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney without him having to recant. He was asked to simply recite the Creed. He chose the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation.

When Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II rationally he emerges ' a traditionalist', he is saying the Catholic Church has ' a superiority' in salvation.The Church returns to Traditional Mission and proclaims exclusive salvation to the peripheries.

How can he get out of this unexpected situation? I don't know.The Ecclesia Dei communities would choose to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally.

Cardinals and bishops would choose to be honest and not dishonest.

The traditionalists in France and Portugal would choose to be traditionalist instead of non traditionalist and heretical.

Pope Francis is obligated to interpret Vatican Council II rationally, since he cannot say that LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 refer to physically visible examples of salvation outside the Church in 1965-2024, and objective exceptions for the Catechism of the Catholic Church (845,846), the dogma EENS, the Athansius Creed, the Catechism of Pope Pius X C( 24Q,27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Nicene Creed ( I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin - and not three known baptisms which exclude the baptism of water- desire, blood, invincible ignorance, goodwill (GS 22), imperfect communion with the Church ( UR 3) etc). There no more are exceptions for Tradition.The Council is not a break with Tradition. It has a continuity with the Jesuit missionaries of the 16th century, St. Ignatius of Loyola , St.Francis Xavier and St. Robert Bellarmine.

-Lionel Andrades

JANUARY 26, 2024

There is no denial from Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez, the journalists in Rome and now the Faculty of Theology at the University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Rome. They agree with me. For them too LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3,NA 2,GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases , physically invisible people in 2024.This is a given. It is common sense

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/01/repost-there-is-no-denial-from-cardinal.html

JANUARY 19, 2024

The mainline Church is coming back to Tradition as liberal priest-professors interpret LG 8, 14, 15, 16 UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, etc, as being only hypothetical. They are not objective exceptions in 1965-204, for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/01/the-mainline-church-is-coming-back-to.html

JANUARY 18, 2024

The traditionalist-liberal division in the Church has ended

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/01/the-traditional-liberal-division-in.html

JANUARY 16, 2024

I have been saying outside the Church there is no salvation (CCC 845,846 etc) and LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 refer to hypothetical cases in Vatican Council II and my allies are Michael Sean Winters ( National Catholic Reporter), Massimo Faggioli ( Commonweal), John Allen jr ( Cruz), Nicole Winfield ( Associated Press), Edward Pentin ( National Catholic Register) and many others. They agree with me

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/01/i-have-been-saying-outside-church-there.html

DECEMBER 11, 2023

Whom to believe ?https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/12/whom-to-believe.html

DECEMBER 7, 2023

I have e-mailed Alberto Melloni and his colleagues at the FSCIRE about their irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and there is no denial from them. They actually agree with me : Is it legal when Melloni receives, reportedly, over a million euros annually, and intentionally interprets LG 8,1,4,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 irrationally and dishonestly ?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/12/i-have-e-mailed-alberto-melloni-and-his.html

DECEMBER 8, 2023

What is the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ? (Updated 08.12.2023 ) /21. The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican and the Bishop of Manchester, New Hampshire have made a public error in the case of the St.Benedict Center ?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/12/what-is-lionel-andrades-interpretation_8.html

The Parish Priest at San Agapito, Rome can no more say that he does not affirm ‘the strict interpretation ‘ of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). He cannot say that he does not accept Unam Sanctum of Pope Boniface VIII (founder of La Sapienza University, Rome). Since he is obliged to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and then the Council is Feeneyite. The orthodox passages in Vatican Council II support the past ecclesiocentrism. While the hypothetical passages are not exceptions. It is the same for Feeneyite Pope Francis.

The Parish Priest at San Agapito, Rome can no more say that he does not affirm ‘the strict interpretation ‘ of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). He cannot say that he does not accept Unam Sanctum of Pope Boniface VIII (founder of La Sapienza University, Rome). Since he is obliged to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and then the Council is Feeneyite. The orthodox passages in Vatican Council II support the past ecclesiocentrism. While the hypothetical passages are not exceptions. It is the same for Feeneyite Pope Francis.

Feeneyite Pope Francis?!!

Pope Francis may criticize 'triumphalism', 'rigidity', 'fundamentalism' and ' an ideological groups views'- but when he has to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and ethically, the Council supports Catholic orthodoxy.He is obliged by the Council to come back to Tradition.He cannot continue to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally, while the rest of the Church knows there is a rational option, whose conclusion is traditional.The future doctrines of the cardinals and bishops  are those of the 16th century Magisterium, the Church Fathers and the Apostles.

We all know that there are no objective cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc. Everyone in the parish agrees on this point.So there are no visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2024 to contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology. We have returned to Tradition. 'Rome has come back to the Faith'.

I sometimes go for the evening Mass in Italian at San Agapito where my ecclesiology is that of the old Latin and Greek Orthodox Catholic Mass. I am inspired by Vatican Council II. The Council has invisible cases and not objective exceptions for EENS in 2024.

For example, if there is a box of oranges with an apple in the center, then the apple is an exception because it is different but also because it is there in that box. If it was not there it would not be an exception.

When Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally Pope Francis is Feeneyite, whether he knows it or not. - Lionel Andrades

JANUARY 30, 2024

Morally we only have the rational option. So this would be the only interpretation of the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome and the religious communities. Annual, renewal of vows will have its foundation only on Vatican Council II interpreted ethically.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/01/morally-we-only-have-rational-option-so.html

JANUARY 30, 2024

The priest can no more put down the belief in Hell and run down the Middle Ages, with his liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/01/the-priest-can-no-more-put-down-belief.html

 JANUARY 30, 2024

The Parish Priest has to tell his assistant priests, altar servers, sacristans, choirs, scouts and general congregation to rationally, interpret LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, in Vatican Council II and then his parish will return to Tradition.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/01/the-parish-priest-has-to-tell-his.html

Morally we only have the rational option. So this would be the only interpretation of the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome and the religious communities. Annual, renewal of vows will have its foundation only on Vatican Council II interpreted ethically.

 

Fr. Paolo Boumis the Parish Priest at Sant Agapito, Largo Preneste, near Termini, Rome, his assistant priests and the rest of the parish have only one option now. They have to interpret LG 8,14,15,16 etc rationally. So the approved Catechists in the parish would be dishonest if future catechesis was based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally. They cannot continue to interpret LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc, as being visible people in the present times saved outside the Catholic Church.

Morally we only have the rational option. So this would be the only interpretation of the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome and the religious communities. Annual, renewal of vows will have its foundation only on Vatican Council II interpreted ethically.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/01/the-parish-priest-has-to-tell-his.html

OCTOBER 19, 2023

Father Paolo Boumis, Parish Priest, of the Church of St. Agapito, near Largo Preneste-Porta Maggiore, Rome, holds the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). He is a Feeneyite on EENS just like me.

 Father Paolo Boumis. Parish Priest, of the Church of St. Agapito, near Largo Preneste-Porta Maggiore, Rome, holds the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). He is a Feeneyite on EENS just like me. He also interprets Vatican Council II rationally in harmony with EENS according to the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) which did not mention any exceptions. He also interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church in synchrony with the past Catechisms and other Magisterial Documents. It is the same for the Missionaries of Charity of Mother Teresa, Rome and the Vicar General and Auxiliary Bishops of the Rome Vicariate.This is possible since they all agree that LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to invisible cases in 2023. They are always hypothetical cases and so they cannot be practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, in the present times. So their theology becomes traditional when they interpret LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc rationally, i.e invisible people are physically invisible.They return to the past exclusivist ecclesiology and the traditional interpretation of EENS.

Though - many of the above names are denying the Faith in public.They do not affirm the strict interpretation of EENS in public. They suggest that there are exceptions for the dogma EENS, in other words that LG 8,14, 15, 16 refer to physically visible non Catholics, who are practical exceptions for the dogma EENS.This is dishonest.Suggesting that invisible cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc are visible is unethical.I call this Cushingism. Cushingism is heretical, irrational, schismatic and non traditional.

 Before Muslims, they present themselves as Cushingites and not Feeneyites. However technically, in private, they are Feeneyites when they interpret Vatican Council II etc rationally, i.e invisible cases of LG 8,14, 16 etc, are invisible in 2023. -Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 18, 2023

Father Paolo Boumis, Parish Priest, at the church San Agapito in Rome accepts the Catechism of the Catholic Church which says outside the Church there is no salvation (CCC 846), while LG 8,14,15,16,UR3,NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are not objective exceptions for CCC 846 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), which did not mention any exceptions.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/frpaolo-boumis-parish-priest-at-church.html

OCTOBER 12, 2023

Fr.Paolo Boumis, Parish Priest, Sant Agapito, Rome, the Missionaries of Charity (Men) of Mother Teresa and the Vicar General Cardinal Angelo Donatis and his Auxiliary Bishops in Rome, agree with me: there are no visible cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of water in 2023

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/frpaolo-boumis-parish-priest-sant.html

OCTOBER 10, 2023

For Father Paulo Boumis there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance but he will continue to have adult catechesis today in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times, who are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/for-father-paulo-boumis-there-are-no_10.html

OCTOBER 7, 2023

For Fr.Paolo Boumis there are no visible cases in 2023 of a non Catholic saved with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance and this would also be the view of the priests and lay religious in the parish and also his bishop: It would be the same with the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome and the Vicar General Cardinal Angelo Donatis

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/frpaolo-boumis-has-confirmed-that-there.html

OCTOBER 1, 2023

Future popes and cardinals will only be conservative since Vatican Councl II can only be interpreted rationally. This is the only moral choice there is.The Council is then traditional and Feeneyite

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/future-popes-and-cardinals-will-only-be.html

OCTOBER 1, 2023

So at the next Conclave of Cardinals to elect a pope it must be understand that Vatican Council II can only be interpreted rationally and like the Catechism of the Catholic Church of Pope John Paul II, it is traditional and Feeneyite.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/so-at-next-conclave-of-cardinals-to.html

What Our Lady in Medjugorje URGENTLY wants from All of Us

The priest can no more put down the belief in Hell and run down the Middle Ages, with his liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II.

 

We have a problem at Sant Agapito. When I go there for the evening Mass in Italian, the priest can no more put down the belief in Hell and run down the Middle Ages, with his liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II.

The New Moral Theology, New Ecumenism, New Theology, New Ecclesiology and New Evangelization are now obsolete. They were based upon the dishonest interpretation of Vatican Council II.

We are back to the old Moral Theology, when the Council is interpreted rationally. The old moral theology, old theology and old ecclesiology support Traditional Mission and Morals and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), as it was known for centuries.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/01/the-parish-priest-has-to-tell-his.html

OCTOBER 18, 2023

Father Paolo Boumis, Parish Priest, at the church San Agapito in Rome accepts the Catechism of the Catholic Church which says outside the Church there is no salvation (CCC 846), while LG 8,14,15,16,UR3,NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are not objective exceptions for CCC 846 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), which did not mention any exceptions.

 

Father Paolo Boumis, Parish Priest, at the church San Agapito in  Rome accepts the Catechism of the Catholic Church which says outside the Church there is no salvation (CCC 846), while LG 8,14,15,16,UR3,NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are not objective exceptions for CCC 846 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), which did not mention any exceptions. So he is affirming the traditional teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation, just like me. We are both saying the same thing.

 If Pope Francis and the cardinals were asked if LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA ,2 GS 22 etc refer to invisible cases in 2023, they too would say YES- like Fr. Boumis, the Missionaries of Charity(Men) of Mother Teresa, the Cardinal Vicar General and the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome. We are all in agree ment.

So when they all refer to extra ecclesiam nulla salus it is a reference to Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. When they refer to the dogma EENS they are also referring to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

-Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 13, 2023

Even Pope Francis and all the cardinals and bishops would have to agree with them

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/fr.html

OCTOBER 17, 2023

Anche Papa Francesco e tutti i cardinali e vescovi dovrebbero essere d’accordo con loro

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-corso-13-ottobre-2023-anche-papa.html

III. THE CHURCH IS CATHOLIC ⇡

"Outside the Church there is no salvation" ⇡

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846

 

How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

335.

 

Cf. Cyprian, Ep. 73.21:PL 3,1169; De unit.:PL 4,509-536.

336.

 

LG 14; cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5.

847

 

This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience — those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

337.

 

LG 16; cf. DS 3866-3872.

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"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

338.

 

AG 7; cf. Heb 11:6; 1 Cor 9:16.

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18 OTTOBRE 2023

Don Paolo Boumis, Parroco, presso la chiesa di San Agapito a Roma accetta il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica che dice che fuori della Chiesa non c'è salvezza (CCC 846), mentre LG 8,14,15,16,UR3,NA 2 , GS 22 ecc. nel Concilio Vaticano II non sono eccezioni oggettive per CCC 846 e per il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) del Concilio Lateranense IV (1215), che non menzionava alcuna eccezione. 

Quindi sta affermando l'insegnamento tradizionale secondo cui fuori dalla Chiesa non c'è salvezza, proprio come me. Entrambi stiamo dicendo la stessa cosa.

 Se a Papa Francesco e ai cardinali venisse chiesto se LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA ,2 GS 22 ecc. si riferiscono a casi invisibili nel 2023, anche loro direbbero SÌ, come Don Boumis, i Missionari della Carità di Madre Teresa, il Cardinale Vicario Generale e i Vescovi Ausiliari di Roma. Siamo tutti d'accordo.

Quindi, quando tutti fanno riferimento 

a extra ecclesiam nulla salus è un

riferimento al Concilio Vaticano II, 

Ad Gentes 7, che dice che tutti hanno

bisogno della fede e del battesimo per 

la salvezza. Quando fanno riferimento

al dogma EENS si riferiscono anche

OCTOBER 10, 2023

For Father Paulo Boumis there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance but he will continue to have adult catechesis today in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times, who are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

 

For Father Paulo Boumis there are no

physically visible cases of the baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) but he will continue to have adult catechesis today in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times, who are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is also the theological position of the SSPX and the sedevacantists.

Cardinal Angelo Donatis, Vicar General of the Rome Vicariate, and his Auxiliary bishops know the same, as does the National Catechetical Center, Italy, but they will teach Catechism, with this objective error,since this is what Pope Francis wants, in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.

They are not concerned about the truth 

or the faith, but, the political Left.

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 RATIONAL INTERPRETATION

So if I was presenting the Catechism in the parish of Sant Agapito, Rome, I would say outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and I would cite Ad Gentes 7,

Lumen Gentium 14 and the Catechism of 

the Catholic Church (845,846). For me, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc would not be objective exceptions, for Ad Gentes 7 

and the dogma EENS.

Fr. Paul Boumis avoidS a discussion on this subject.He does not say that he will  interpret Vatican Council II rationally.

I base what I am saying on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.Yet the priest could tell other religious to avoid me? Yes. Since the priest will also affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church but interpret hypothetical cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, as  referring to objectively visible cases. For me they are invisibile.

For him there are visible examples of 

salvation outside the Church. For me they

are hypothetical only.

For him this refers to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. For me they are invisible cases.

So our premises and inferences are different. Our conclusions would be different, they would be traditional 

or non-traditional.

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MY CATECHESIS

So if I was presenting the Catechism in the parish of Sant Agapito, Rome, I would say outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and I would cite Ad Gentes 7,

Lumen Gentium 14 and the Catechism of 

the Catholic Church (845,846). For me, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc would not be objective exceptions, for Ad Gentes 7 

and the dogma EENS.

Fr. Paul Boumis avoided a discussion on this subject.He did not say that he would interpret Vatican Council II rationally.

I base what I am saying on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the priest could tell other religious to avoid me? Yes. Since the priest will affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church but interpret hypothetical cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, are referring to objectively visible cases. For me they are invisibile.

For him there are visible examples of 

salvation outside the Church. For me they

are hypothetical only.

For him this refers to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. For me they are invisible cases.

So our premises and inferences are different.

So of course our conclusions would be different, they would be traditional 

or non-traditional.

He is interpreting Vatican Council II, Creeds, Catechisms and Councils like the Missionaries of Charity, men and women, nearby. When they make their Final Profession of Vows they agree to be obedient to their superiors who interpret Vatican Council II etc, irrationally and as a break with the historic Magisterium.They are following Pope Francis.- Lionel Andrades

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