Wednesday, January 22, 2014

That Vatican Council II is pro-Fr.Leonard Feeney is frightening not only for the liberals but also traditionalists

Father Settimo Mannelli F.I, Rector of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate seminary and parish at Boccea, Rome was not willing to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So how will he affirm a Vatican Council II which is pro-Fr.Leonard Feeney? Fr.Settimo  offered the Traditional Latin Mass.He  is the nephew of Fr.Stefano Manelli the founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate who is still in 'quarantine'.
 
Similarly Fr. Francesco Giordano, also a religious formattor with the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate did not want to affirm the traditional understanding of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It was convenient for him to project Vatican Council II as a break with  the dogma on salvation and with Tradition in general.
Likewise Fr. Joseph Kramer, FSSP , Pastor at the Church Santissima Trinità deo Pellegrini, Rome, where the Traditional Latin Mass is available would not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Also these traditionalists in Rome are making a doctrinal error in assuming salvation referred to in Vatican Council II is visible to us and so an exception to every one needing to enter the Church, with faith and baptism, for salvation.
Fr.Francesco Giordano, who specializes in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, knows by now that there are no known exceptions in Vatican Council II. He still will not affirm the dogma in public . He will not proclaim in public a dogma on exclusive salvation in accord with Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
He received his Masters Theology degree from the liberals at the Angelicum University, claiming there were known exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney. So for them Vatican Council II (LG 16) would also be a break with the past because of these visible exceptions.
We have traditionalists here, good people, who accept doctrine which is convenient and non threathening to their way of life.
Soon Rorate Caeili will have another report saying Vatican Council II is a sad break with the traditional teaching on other religions. This would be politically acceptable.

Even the American Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate priest who writes on the blog Mary Victrix, one of those opposed to Fr.Manelli, would not accept a Vatican Council II which is pro-Fr.Leonard Feeney.In correspondence with me  he was extremely anti SSPX. he would post reports with titles like 'SSPX checkmated'. he did not want the SSPX to come into the Church with full canonical status.

For him salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II would be explicit. Fr.Fidenzio Volpi OFM Cap., is not going to ask this FFI priest  to affirm traditional doctrine and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The rest of the Franciscans of the Immaculate now have to accept a Vatican Council II in which all salvation referred to is visible for all. This is ludicrous.

I accept Vatican Council II. I accept that all salvation mentioned in the Council is not physically visible to me and others. I deny a Vatican Council II in which it is implied that we can see people now in Heaven. Since there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus I reject the theology of religions and a new ecclesiology based on this factual error.

At an FFI conference in Rome  one of the speakers, the layman Prof. Roberto dei Mattei refused to answer the two questions I put to him in writing. It would seem he did not want to affirm the dogma clearly.He has written books on Vatican Council II  in which he has assumed salvation referred to in the Council, is visible to him. He may criticize Tariq Ramadan vaguely  but will not say Vatican Council II (AG 7) indicates all Muslims are oriented to Hell and the Council does not mention any exceptions. There are no exceptions in 2014 to the dogma on exclusive salvation. He will probably write more books on Vatican Council II with the same error.

The priests and lay Catholic professors at the Pontifical universities in Rome are not going to put their careers and life style at stake by affirming extra ecclesiam nulla salus or admitting that Vatican Council II is in agreement with this dogma as it was known over centuries.They are aware of what I am writing here. I get e-mail warnings from some of them. There are Dominican priests for example at the University of St.Thomas Aquinas (Angelicum) Rome who do not want to discuss this issue. It  is a lie for them to say that the dead are visible and so there are exceptions to the dogma yet they will persist in this error when teaching.An elderly Dominican priest-professor who teaches Philosophy at the Angelicum  once said in class, at the Beda Pontifical College,Rome,  the Catholic seminary of the Bishops of England and Wales, that it was all right for a Catholic to join a Freemason social club.The Freemasons, would oppose the dogma on exclusive salvation.

Lay Catholics should hold a Press Conference in Rome and elsewhere and show how Vatican Council II is pro extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as it was known for centuries, and how the Vicariate in Rome and the Vatican is hiding this knowledge.-Lionel Andrades


 

 


Doctrinal confusion in Catholic diocese of Worcester, USA

Bishop of Worcester
The Catholic diocese of Worcester has a list of Religious Houses and Communities approved in the diocese. They include the traditionalists MICM. They have been granted full canonical status.

MICM - Sisters of St. Benedict Center, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (Saint Anne's House)

MICM – Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
(Immaculate Heart of Mary School)

The other Religious Houses in the diocese are making an error on Catholic doctrine.The same error is being made by the diocese Curia some of whom I have been in contact with via the Internet.
 Diocese Logo
The Religious communities in Worcester,USA in their catechesis and personal religious beliefs assume all salvation referred to in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are visible and known to us. Since they are visible it is assumed that they are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as interpreted by Fr.Leonard  Feeney of Boston.
 
The bishop and priests of the diocese are aware of this error but this seems their political piosition. All the communities who are making this error in Worcester, except for the MICM, have been granted full canonical status.
 
There had been complaints from liberals about the MICM communities being granted canonical status. Their opponents do not make the distinction between implicit and explicit baptism of desire. Implicit baptism of desire is not an exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 
So the MICM can affirm the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with implicit baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance. It does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction.
 
I am unable to find the list of Religious Communities on the website of the Diocese of Worcester.Perhaps the diocese has removed it.  The link I have provided here is from Rasha Lampa's  Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Link List.
-Lionel Andrades

http://www.worcesterdiocese.org/vicar/ReligiousCommunities/tabid/478/Default.aspx

A CALL TO UNITY MUST BE BASED ON DOCTRINE

 
A call to Catholics for unity must be based on Catholic doctrine.
Rorate Caeili is not in unity with the Catholic Church.There cannot be a call to unity based on heresy.
 
 
1. For Rorate Caeili Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition on the issue of other religions and Christian communities and churches, since Rorate correspondents consider all salvation, referred to in Vatican Council II as being visible to them, explicit on earth and Heaven. It is true the Council then would contradict the dogma.The Council would contradict the dogma when this irrational premise is used! Any Church document would contradict Tradition when this irrational premise is used.
So it is not Catholic doctrine to say that we can see the dead in Heaven and also on earth who are known, visible exceptions to Tradition. They would have to be visible to Rorate Caeili correspondents for them to be exceptions to traditional teaching and Rorate implies they are visible.
 

2.If Rorate Caeili would say Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition on the issue of other religions and Christian communities and churches, it means Rorate correspondnents consider all salvation, referred to in Vatican Council II as being invisible to them on earth.They are hypothetical cases, possibilities, known only to God. Vatican Council II would not contradict the dogma.The Council would not contradict the dogma when the irrational premise is not used!

Ad Gentes 7 affirms the traditional teaching on other religions and Christian communities and churches.

So Vatican Council II affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Council is pro-Fr.Leonard Feeney.

There is no salvation outside the Church, known to Rorate correspondents in 2014. Neither does Vatican Council II say that the dead  on earth now saved in Heaven are visible to us.

Rorate Caeili is not willing like many Traditionalists to affirm this teaching or even to discuss it.-Lionel Andrades

January 20, 2014
More nonsense on Rorate Caeili
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/more-nonsense-on-rorate-caeili.html