Sunday, December 27, 2015

'What saints let people stay in the dark about Christ? -Advocatanostra



    1. Vatican commission: Salvation is thru Jesus, but it's not up to us to determine how that happens w/ those who don't explicitly recognize him










If there is a Jew or other non Catholic in 2015-2016 who is going to be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, you would not be able to judge. Neither would I. There are no exceptions.



There is a question/ comment on the blog post Ave Maria! Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate : no more lies in the Jubilee Year of Mercy 1
Blogger Fr PJM said...

It is never allowed for a priest, or indeed any member of the Faithful, to say: "You don't need to be baptized."
There are no exceptions, no "dispensations".
But if a person, say a Jew, dies, *apparently* without baptism, I do not claim to know their fate. Only God knows what he might or might not have invisibly accomplished in their souls. Maybe an angel baptized him.
I pray for the repose of his soul.
What do you think?
December 27, 2015
Lionel:
Dear Fr.PJM
The Jew,Muslim or other non Catholic is on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism' (AG 7, LG 14 Vatican Council II). This is the norm. This is objective reality.
This is the dogmatic teaching extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441).It is based on Jesus' teachings ( John 3:5, Mark 16:16).
This is the teaching of the Holy Spirit guiding the magisterium of the Church.
If there is a Jew or other non Catholic in 2015-2016 who is going to be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, you would not be able to judge. Neither would I.
So I agree with you when you say there are no exceptions.We cannot tell any one he does not need to be baptised.

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But if a person, say a Jew, dies, *apparently* without baptism, I do not claim to know their fate.
Lionel:

Based on the teachings of the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit I can say he was oriented to the fires of Hell.

I personally would not know but I know that the Church knows the Truth.
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Only God knows what he might or might not have invisibly accomplished in their souls. Maybe an angel baptized him.
Lionel:

If an angel baptised him it would only be known to God.It would be unknown to us.I cannot say that any specific person on earth is going to be baptised by an angel. So there is no case on earth which would be an exception to the norm.Objective reality has not changed.
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I pray for the repose of his soul.
What do you think?
Lionel:

We pray that they may all enter the Church with 'faith and baptism' before they die. After they die they are oriented to Hell. All of them.
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-Lionel Andrades

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foto di Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate.

Ave Maria! Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate : no more lies in the Jubilee Year of Mercy

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/ave-maria-franciscan-friars-of.html