Thursday, May 17, 2018

Rome Life Forum speakers violate Principle of Non Contradiction and their conscience does not trouble them


For me St. Thomas Aquinas affirmed the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and for him being saved in invincible ignorance or the case of the catechuman saved with the desire, for the baptism of water, would refer to hypothetical cases.Only. This is something obvious.It is common sense. Aquinas does not state that we can personally know of someone saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and faith in the Catholic Church.
But the liberal theologians in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 interpreted the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as referring not to hypothetical cases but known people saved outside the Catholic Church.Then they inferred that these invisible and unknown non Catholics were objective examples of salvation outside the Church.So they concluded that there were known exceptions to the dogma EENS as it was known to St. Thomas Aquinas.
They did all this with a good or bad conscience? Did they think that some end justified the means ? This, also was the reasoning of Fr. Charles Morerod op, the former Rector at the Angelicum.Invisible cases of the baptism of desire were visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS for him.
Similarly for Fr.Michel Paluch op, the present Rector of the University of St.Thomas Aquinas, Rome there can be an  evangelization based on there being known exceptions to the dogma EENS.He was speaking today at the Voice of the Family's Rome Life Forum conference .
So for Fr.Paluch BOD, BOB and I.I would be exceptions to EENS for him and the rest of the faculty at the Angelicum University.Unknown people are known, invisible non Catholics are visible.
This is irrational and non traditional but he is probably following his conscience.
He was the speaker today at the Rome Life Forum, on the subject of a true conscience and evangelization, according to a post on the blog Messa in Latino.
Then another speaker today was Prof. Isobel Campo a professor at the Angelicum who also spoke on conscience.She too like the other professors at this pontifical university will interpret unknown cases of the BOD, BOB and I.I as being known exceptions to the dogma  EENS, and they will repeat this lie, in good conscience.It would not be deception for them.
Last year I mentioned this same issue to John Smeaton, a speaker at this conference,  and in good conscience he still refuses to say that he does not know the answer to the questions I put to him. He was a speaker today.
Tomorrow Cardinal Burke will speak without having responded to so many reports online which state that he has been interpreting Vatican Council II as a rupture with Aquinas on EENS only because of the use of a bad premise. If he changed the premise the conclusion would be different and Vatican Council II would in harmony with Feeneyite EENS.But he does not respond like Bishop Schneider.
Signs of a bad conscience or just helplessness?
The speakers at this conference are all violating the Principle of Non Contradiction and creating a rupture with the Magisterum of the past and their conscience does not trouble them.-Lionel Andrades

http://blog.messainlatino.it/2018/05/roma-life-forum-2018-in-diretta-1.html#more
http://voiceofthefamily.com/rome-life-forum/









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Transcript of 1976 meeting of Paul VI and SSPX Archbp. Lefebvre : they died without knowing the difference between Cushingism and Feeneyism and how it influences the interpretation of Vatican Council II




Fascinating and sad: transcript of 1976 meeting of Paul VI and SSPX Archbp. Lefebvre

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2018/05/fascinating-and-sad-transcript-of-1976-meeting-of-paul-vi-and-sspx-archbp-lefebvre/

The transcipt of the 1976 meeting of Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Lefebvre  published in La Stampa with comments by Torneilli and Fr. Z  show that they still do not know that Archbishop Lefebvre was rejecting Vatican Council II because he was interpreting it with the theology of Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.
Paul VI and Lefebvre died without knowing the difference.
-Lionel Andrades 
http://www.lastampa.it/2018/05/16/vaticaninsider/ecco-il-verbale-segreto-dellincontro-fra-paolo-vi-e-lefebvre-edjCVUdMTKsMh9zvy4XEHK/pagina.html

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They only follow the rubrics of the TLM while their theology and ecclesiology is Novus Ordo.So they are recognised by the present Leftist Magisterium

From the blog The Eponymous Flower, Seminarians of Paris Get to Know Immemorial Mass of All Ages

So what? They offer the TLM with the New Ecclesiology. They interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise instead of without it.They interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus with Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism.It's the same at the Novus Ordo or Byzantine Rite Mass.
They proclaim the Catholic faith with possibilities of salvation outside the Church, speculative cases, as being practical exceptions to traditional EENS. This is the bad religious formation also at the SSPX seminaries.
They do not proclaim the Faith knowing that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 ,Gs 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases and not real people. They do not proclaim the Faith knowing that EENS is the ordinary means of salvation.
So they only follow the rubrics of the TLM while their theology and ecclesiology is Novus Ordo.So they are recognised by the present Leftist Magisterium- Lionel Andrades 

Pentecost May 20,2018 : Proclaim the Faith knowing that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical and unknown cases only



-Lionel Andrades

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JULY 4, 2017

Rational and traditional Catholic apologetics based on Feeneyism and not Cushingism  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/rational-and-traditional-catholic.html

DECEMBER 1, 2017

The lex orandi lex credendi of Catholics today is based on irrational Cushingite theology.The Feeneyite alternative is ignored by all
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/the-lex-orandi-lex-credendi-of_1.html




JANUARY 6, 2018

'He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/he-that-believeth-in-him-is-not-judged.html

Pentecost Sunday May 20,2018

ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH             SOLAMENTE LA CHIESA CATTOLICA


 MAY 15, 2018

Pentecost May 20 2018 : Invisible cases of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : Invisibili casi di battesimo di desiderio,invincible ignorance ecc.non sono eccezione per il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/pentecost-2018-invisible-cases-of.html