Saturday, February 9, 2013

SSPX priests indicate without the premise of physically being able to see the dead, Vatican Council II does not contradict the traditional teaching on other religions


Vatican Council II is not a break with the past. It is only when traditionalists interpret implicit to us salvation as being explicit and visible does the Council become a break with Tradition.

The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) priests to whom I have been speaking to over the last month or so, indicate Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so neither the traditional teaching on other religions.

It means there are two possible interpretations of Vatican Council II to choose from. 1. One with the false premise of implicit to us salvation being explicit and physically visible to us. 2.Or that salvation is always implicit for us and explicit and visible only for God.

The SSPX priests have said that salvation is visible only to God. So they have chosen one interpretation of Vatican Council II. It means we cannot see the dead saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience (LG 16), seeds of the word, imperfect communion with the Church, elements of sanctification, good and holy people in other religions etc.

So if the SSPX formally acknowledges the false premise and corrects it they would be affirming the text of Vatican Council II which would be in accord with their traditional position on other religions.-Lionel Andrades

ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE IN AGREEMENT WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY -SSPX PRIOR http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-in-agreement.html#links

SSPX PRIOR AT ALBANO,ITALY SAYS WE DON'T KNOW ANYONE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/sspx-prior-at-albanoitaly-says-we-dont.html
SSPX PRIESTS IN ALBANO,ITALY DISAGREE WITH U.S WEBSITE: THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IN VATICAN COUNCIL II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/sspx-priests-in-albanoitaly-disagree.html

Bishop Charles Morerod in a doctrinal error says the SSPX cannot use Catholic Churches because of a doctrinal issue

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/bishop-charles-morrod-in-doctrinal.html#links

Catholic Religious communities who say the dead- saved are physically visible to them on earth are given churches and religious facilities to manage
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/progessivists-conduct-first-holy.html

Progressivists interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise of 'implicit desire being visible' or 'the dead are visible' and then assume that they accept Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/progressivists-interpret-vatican.html#links  


 Traditionalists still assume that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : no canonical status for the SSPX when they are really in agreement with Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/traditionalists-still-assume-that.html#links

Neo Catechumenal Way Catechesis must interpret Vatican Council II as a continuation with Tradition

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith could ask the New Catechunmenal Way (NCW) to affirm Vatican Council II as a continuity with Tradition and not as a break with the past.Archbishop Gerhard Muller recently said that those who interpret the Council as a break with the past are heretical.

OTHER RELIGIONS


The NCW could affirm the Council in agreement with the traditional teaching on other religions by not assuming that implicit for us salvation is physically visible and explicit e.g if those saved in invisible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) are not physically visible to us, then these cases are not exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, which says all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.All, in 2013, include non Catholics and non Christians needing Catholic Faith for salvation.

Christians communities and the Orthodox Christians do not have Catholic Faith. So in ecumenism and dialogue they must know that the Catholic Church teaches that all need to convert into the only Mystical Body of Jesus to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.


We do not know any one saved in 'imperfect communion with the Church'(UR) in 2013.So this is not a contradiction to AG 7. It would be an exception if physically these cases were visible and saved in 'imperfect communion'.


If the Neo Catechemenal Way catechesis does not make the error of being able to see the dead man walking, saved in invincible ignorance, seeds of the word, imperfect communion with the church, elements of sanctification etc , Vatican Council II would be in continuity with Tradition; the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors .

When the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Ad Gentes 7 is affirmed it is possible to interpret Dignitatis Humane,Vatican Council II in accord with Tradition. DH refers to the religious liberty non Catholics have in a state with a secular Constitution.It encourages the religious liberty of Catholics to proclaim the Catholic Faith. When one affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus there is a moral duty to say that there is only one true church and only one true worship and it is the Catholic Faith.There may be good and holy things in other religions but the other religions are not paths to salvation according to Vatican Council II. -Lionel Andrades

Heresy in New Catechumenal Way Catechesis : Interprets Vatican Council II as a break with the past, also rejects the dogma on exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/heresy-in-new-catechumenal-way.html#links