Thursday, February 7, 2013

Bishop Charles Morerod in a doctrinal error says the SSPX cannot use Catholic Churches because of a doctrinal issue

As Rector at the Angelicum he taught that the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Bishop Charles Morerod
As Secretary of the International Theological Commission he made the same error implying that those saved with implicit to us salvation are physically visible for them to be exceptions to the dogma.

Now the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) has to accept Vatican Council II with all this irrationality to be considered doctrinally-correct.Only then they can be granted space in Catholic Churches for the Sacrifice of Jesus in Holy Mass.(1)

Catholic Traditionalists meanwhile are confused over this issue and so they are not protesting against the doctrinal error of Bishop Charles Morerod.It is there in black and white on the Vatican website of the International Theological Commission (ITC).

Among supporters of Fr.Leonard Feeney, the Society of St.Pius X and sedevacantists, who mean well, they assume that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is the same doctrinal problem as that of Bishop Morerod.

They say if you accept the baptism of desire, even one case, then it means there is an exception to the dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, which indicates  every one needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation.

This is a misconception.This would be true if we knew of a single explicit case on earth. Such a case must exist visibly to be an exception.There is no visible exception.

For example I could say."Hey, look at this person he has been saved with the baptism of desire. So it means that every one does not have to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation."

We do not know any explicit case of the baptism of desire and so even if there is someone saved in another religion with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance, it is not relevant to Cantate Domino. Every one still needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation, just as Fr.Leonard Feeney taught.-Lionel Andrades

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3.2 In his letter "concerning the remission of the excommunication of the four Bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre", of March 10, 2009, Pope Benedict XVI wrote to the bishops: "The fact that the Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons. As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church" [suspensio a divinis].

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Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

NO NEED FOR ‘SECRET TALKS’ ANYMORE: WE KNOW THE HERETICAL POSITION OF THE VATICAN NEGOTIATORS

BISHOP CHARLES MOREROD O.P IN BLATANT HERESY IS TO SPEAK BEFORE THE POPE ON ANGLICAN RELATIONS

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO

The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS

VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF RELIGIONS

Baptism-‘necessity of means or precept’-you wouldn’t know the difference, so why mention it ?

SSPX WEBSITE: ' I believe in three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins’ ?

Bishop Fellay, Fr.Schmidberger,FSSP,Joseph Fenton seem unaware the baptism of desire is not an explicit exception to the dogma

NO NEED FOR ‘SECRET TALKS’ ANYMORE: WE KNOW THE HERETICAL POSITION OF THE VATICAN NEGOTIATORS


Traditionalists not welcome in Catholic churches: they first have to accept the doctrine of the dead-saved are physially visible to us and then adapt this new doctrine to Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/traditionalists-not-welcome-in-catholic.html#links

I don't think, believe, and/or profess that there are "exceptions", period! -Jehanne

I don't think, believe, and/or profess that there are "exceptions", period! Visible or not, de facto or de jure, vincibly or invincibly ignorant, explicit or implicit, in voto or ex voto, baptism in re or in voto, every human being, without exception, must end his/her life in the "bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." This proclaimation from the Council of Florence, an ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church, is ex cathedra, without error, infallible, and irreformable for all time and eternity.

Who is (and is not) in the "bosom and unity of the Catholic Church" at the end of his/her life is for the Righteous Judge to decide, not me. I make no promises to Jews, pagans, infidels, heretics, or schismatics, material or otherwise, as I cannot promise that which I cannot possibly give or deliver. To the individual alone, the Sacraments of the Catholic Church provide assurance, if those sacraments are received with the proper dispositions, matter, form, and minister, and for infants, sacramental Baptism alone. Everyone else, without exception, is "on their own." As Mike would say, "Good Luck with that.".-Jehanne
http://catholicforum.forumotion.com/t1023-frleonard-feeney-goes-undefended#9022