Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church when interpreted rationally is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as interpreted by the sedevacantists Most Holy Family Monastery, USA.

 Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church when interpreted rationally is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as interpreted by the sedevacantists Most Holy Family Monastery, USA.

The Council and the Catechism of the Catholic Church is being interpreted with a Rational Premise and Inference and this is a breakthrough back to Tradition. The Council and the Catechism of Pope John Paul is in harmony with Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1442 on EENS.

This is the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS which was affirmed all these years by Peter and Michael Dimond, at the MHFM.

Vatican Council II and the Catechism are in harmony, it is discovered with Peter and Michael Dimond and not the popes from Pius XII to Francis.-Lionel Andrades

Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, when interpreted rationally, are in harmony with the Council of Florence, Cantate Domino, 1442 on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Vatican Council II is in harmony with the Council of Florence, Cantate Domino, 1442 on extra ecclesiam nulla salus-when the Council is interpreted rationally.

Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and the baptism of water for salvation 1. All. So the Council is saying like Cantate Domino that all need to be Catholic to avoid Hell (for salvation). This is also the teaching of the Athanasius Creed 2.

In Vatican Council II, Lumen Gentium refers to only hypothetical cases always. So there are no exceptions for Cantate Domino in Lumen Gentium or even Ad Gentes, Unitatis Redintegrtio, Nostra Aetate etc. 

There are no practical exceptions mentioned in the entire text of Vatican Council II for Ad Gentes 7 or extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).This is EENS according to Cantate Domino. This is the rational approach. It is the rational interpretation of Vatican Council II.3

The irrational approach 4 is to see LG 8, 14 and 16 as referring to physically visible cases in 1965-2022.They are saved outside the Catholic Church and are practical exceptions for Cantate Dominio.This is the common irrational interpretation.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church also when interpreted rationally with the Rational Premise supports Cantate Domino, Council of Florene on EENS. Ad Gentes 7 is placed in CCC 846 under the title Outside the Church there is no salvation. 5

There is the same message in  CCC 845.6 It  says God the Father wants all to be united in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is compared to the Ark of Noah that saves in the flood ( St.Thomas Aquinas).

So all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church(CCC 846).This does not exclude the necessity for all to be members of the Church for salvation.Since Ad Gentes 7,  is cited in CCC 846. Ad Gentes 7 in CCC 846 repeats the message of  Cantate Domino on EENS.

But CCC 846 can be interpreted irrationally when it states 'all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'. For the popes it refers to visible cases of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, and without the baptism of water.They are known cases saved without the baptism of water, in the present times (1965-2022). So for the popes CCC 846 refers to an objective exception for EENS.This is irrational.

It is rational when CCC 847 and 848 7 refer to only hypothetical and theoretical cases.Then do not contradict Ad Gentes 7, CCC 845,846, the Athanasius Creed and Cantate Domino Council of Florence. -Lionel Andrades

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Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. - Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II (AG 7 is cited in CCC 846).

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Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. -Athanasius Creed

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"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?³³⁵ Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.³³⁶

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845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.³³⁴

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847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.³³⁷

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."³³⁸

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 DECEMBER 11, 2022

Ignatius Press need to pull down the books of Cardinal Ratzinger.It is unethical to continue to sell them.We now know that the Council can be interpreted with a Rational Premise in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/12/ignatius-press-need-to-pull-down-books.html

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DECEMBER 10, 2022

The sedevacantist bishops Donald Sanborn and Mark Pivarunas interpret Vatican Council II with an irrational premise to reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Tradition in general. This is conservative modernism. It is heretical and schismatic.They do not have the right to offer Mass without correcting this public scandal.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/12/the-sedevacantists-bishops-donald.html