Peter Kwasniewski appeals for a return to the faith of Pope Francis : many traditionalists are already there

from Rorate Caeili

 I want to recommend four books in particular that relate to my theme.

1. Bishop Athanasius Schneider’s Christus Vincit: Christ’s Triumph Over the Darkness of the Age. When people ask me: “What should I read to understand the current crisis in the Church, how we got here, and how we get out of it?,” I always recommend this book, which is written with the clarity, fortitude, kindness, and orthodoxy for which Bishop Schneider is famous.

Lionel : Bishop Schneider holds the same faith as Pope Francis and Peter Kwasniewski. They all interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms with an irrational premise to create a rupture with Catholic Tradition.This is approved by the Left. If they interpreted the Council with the rational premise, then they would have to affirm the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX with no exceptions. Now with the exceptions they hold the SSPX version of the Syllabus of Errors. So they have changed tradition, rejected it with the false premise which is expedient.Then they allow themselves to  be called traditionalists.

Remember in this book Bishop Athanasius Schneider has not affirmed the faith. As always he wanted to support the popes on this issue of the false and rational premise.

When the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Diocese of Manchester, issued a Decree of Prohibitions against the St. Benedict Center, he did not comment. It was a doctrinal issue. The CDF, for political reasons, wanted Brother Andre Marie MICM, to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church (8847-848 Invincible ignorance) to create a rupture with Feeneyite, EENS, Syllabus of Errors and Athanasius Creed. This is acceptable for Bishop Schneider and Peter Kwasniewski.

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2. Roberto de Mattei’s Love for the Papacy and Filial Resistance to the Pope in the History of the Church. We need to know about times in history where popes have messed up, doctrinally or prudentially, and were legitimately resisted by members of the Church. It is comforting—in both the current meaning of the word (consoling, reassuring) and its old-fashioned sense (strengthening, galvanizing)—to know that there are precedents for such resistance, and to know what they looked like. Divine Providence raises the right people at the right moment.

Lionel: Roberto dei Mattei is interpreting Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents with the politcally correct false premise to create a rupture with Tradition ( EENS with no exceptions etc). So he is in  harmony with Pope Francis, the liberals and Masons on this doctrinal issue. If he did not use the false premise to interpret the Council he would be affirming Tradition like the missionaries of the 16th century. This would not be tolerated by the Left. So in his books he has compromised the faith and remains tolerated by the establishment.

He possibly received a threat and so distanced himself from Archbishop Carlo Vigano.

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3. Defending the Faith Against Present Heresies, edited by John Lamont and Claudio Pierantoni. The best one-volume critique of Pope Francis’s theology and Church governance. As I said before, context is very important for achieving understanding, and this book provides a rich and full context for grasping the significance and function of Traditionis Custodes.

Lionel: Of what value is context when a false  Theology is being used to interpret Vatican Council II. It is the same New Theology of Pope Benedict and Pope Francis.

For political reasons John Lamont, Joseph Shaw, Thomas Pink, John Rao, Michael Matt and others are not interpreting  Vatican Council II and EENS with the rational premise. Louie Verrecchio says, he has a family to support.

4. Lastly, Are Canonizations Infallible? Revisiting a Disputed Question. Many traditional Catholics have been bothered by the rapid-fire canonization of the trio of popes of the Second Vatican Council, namely, John XXIII, Paul VI, and John Paul II. This collection offers an excellent introduction to the history of canonization, the changes made to the process at various points, the nature and objects of papal infallibility, and, finally, reasons for questioning the infallibility of canonizations—in other words, that some canonizations may be in error, and that this is a stance Catholics are permitted to take

Lionel : The three popes interpreted the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I), from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, with a false premise. So they projected unknown cases of the BOD and I.I as being known and visible exceptions to the traditional strict interpret of EENS. So they made the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors ( ecumenism of retutn, Social Reign of Christ the King) obsolete, with this one action. This was first class heresy.It was also schism.

Now with one simple action, we can undo their work and go back to Tradition. We have found what creates the heremeneutic of rupture with Tradition. It is not the liturgy. It is not the Mass.The missing link is in ecclesiology, in philosophy. It is a simply false observation which is responsible for the New Theology.

When we see BOD and I.I as being only hypothetical there are no more exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors etc. The Catechisms do not contradict each other any more. The ecclesiology of the Church before and after Vatican Council II is exclusivist. There is no development of doctrine since there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II any more to traditional doctrine.Nothing has 'developed'.

The three popes interpreted Magisterial documents with the false premise and not just Vatican Council II.Pope Francis is doing the same and so is Peter Kwasniewski, Joseph Shaw,Taylor Marshall and Roberto dei Mattei.

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What, then, do we do? I’d like to echo a recent statement of Dr. Joseph Shaw: “The best way to respond to Traditionis Custodes is to carry on with the work of restoring Tradition,” in whatever ways are available to us. Shaw goes on to talk about altar server training and mending vestments.

Lionel : Joseph Shaw interprets Vatican Council II with a common irrationality, as held by Cardinal Vince Nicols .So they offer the Latin Mass with the traditional rubrics but with the false new ecclesiology.So they  reject the old ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass. The Latin Mass in Britain today is not really the Traditional Latin Mass of the centuries.In the past the priest did not interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus with alleged exceptions of BOD and I.I .They do not exist in our reality and would be invisible for us. 

There cannot be a Restoration with the false New Theology which Joseph Shaw supports.This something obvious. How can you interpret all the Magisterial documents with a false premise and then want to go back to Tradition ? This would not be the Tradition of the Traditional Latin Mass.

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Now and always, hold to the Faith. Teach the Faith. 

Lionel : He is referring to the Faith of Pope Francis.-Lionel Andrades

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Live the Faith with love and zeal. God will take care of the rest.-Peter Kwasniewski,“The Pope’s Boundenness to Tradition as a Legislative Limit: Replying to Ultramontanist Apologetics”—Full Text of Dr. Kwasniewski’s Denver Lecture

 https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-popes-boundenness-to-tradition-as.html#more

AUGUST 3, 2021

Peter Kwansnewiski's concept of the faith is the same as Pope Francis

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/peter-kwansnewiskis-concept-of-faith-is.html

 

Peter Kwansnewiski's concept of the faith is the same as Pope Francis

 

from Rorate Caeili

Similarly, the fifteenth-century Council of Constance (1414–1418) “pronounced about the pope as the first person in the Church who is bound by the Faith and who must scrupulously guard the integrity of the Faith”[12]:

Since the Roman Pontiff exercises such great power among mortals, it is right that he be bound all the more by the incontrovertible bonds of the faith and by the rites that are to be observed regarding the Church’s Sacraments.

According to this thirty-ninth session of Constance, the newly elected pope was to make an oath of faith that included this passage:

I, N., elected pope, with both heart and mouth confess and profess to almighty God, whose Church I undertake with his assistance to govern, and to blessed Peter, prince of the apostles, that as long as I am in this fragile life I will firmly believe and hold the Catholic Faith, according to the traditions of the apostles, of the general councils and of other holy fathers . . . and I will preserve this Faith unchanged to the last dot and will confirm, defend, and preach it to the point of death and the shedding of my blood, and likewise I will follow and observe in every way the handed-down rite of the ecclesiastical sacraments of the Catholic Church.[13]-Peter Kwasniewski

 

bound all the more by the incontrovertible bonds of the faith 

This line could be debated. Since 'the faith' for Pope Francis and Peter Kwasniewski is same but also different from the faith of the past Magisterium.

Pope Francis has cited the interpretation of Vatican Council II for putting restrictions on the Latin Mass. This has not been disputed by Kwasniewski. He interprets Vatican Council II just like Pope Francis, with the irrational premise. The pope considers this interpretation of the Council traditional.

He considers it Magisterial and the work of the Holy Spirit. This is the only interpretation of the Council for him and Kwasniewski.

So the pope could say that he has not prohibited the Sacraments but is only making it available for those who interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition. Even for Kwasniewski the Council is a break with Tradition. This is official and ecclesiastical. 

So for Pope Francis he is not rejecting Tradition, the faith and the sacraments with Traditionis Custode.

Now if Kwasneiwski said that he does not accept Pope Francis's interpretation of Vatican Council II this would be different. He would be saying that the pope's interpretation of the Council is irrational and so also non Magisterial.

But Kwasniewski is not saying this.

I repeat : he does not say that Pope Francis' interpretation is irrational and so  non Magisterial and  it is schismatic and non traditional and so this makes Traditionis Custode disputable.

 So Vatican Council II(irrational), which can also be interpreted rationally, is no theological or doctrinal basis for placing controls on only the Latin Mass. Since Vatican Council II interpreted with the rational premise would not be in conflict with the  past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church and it would be there even at the Novus Ordo Mass.Vatican Council II supporting the past exclusivist ecclesiology would also be there at the Novus Ordo Mass.

Kwasniewski, like the SSPX and the SSPX supporters do not want to interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise and so affirm the Athanasius Creed ( with no exceptions), the Syllabus of Errors with no exceptions and 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, not being practical exceptions.He does not want this 'faith'.

He wants to continue to interpret Vatican Council II, irrationally, like Joseph Shaw, since it is politically correct with the Left and he would continue to bow to the powers of this world.

In his Notes Kwasniewski cites  the book of Pope Benedict in which he says that Jews do not need to convert in the present times.

Then he cites Fr. Cekada for whom the baptism of desire refers to visible cases in the present times. He then projects this as a practical exception to Feeneyite EENS. The same as the liberals and the present two popes. This is tradition and the 'faith' for Cekada.

-Lionel Andrades

 

“The Pope’s Boundenness to Tradition as a Legislative Limit: Replying to Ultramontanist Apologetics”—Full Text of Dr. Kwasniewski’s Denver Lecture

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Archbishop Carlo Vigano issued another politically correct statement on Vatican Council II. He interpreted the Council like the Times of Israel, New York Times and Associated Press and of course the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican. It was also the interpretation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. The Deep State-approved version.

 

Archbishop Carlo Vigano issued another politically correct statement on Vatican Council II. He interpreted the Council like the Times of Israel, New York Times and Associated Press and of course the Congregation  for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican. It was also the interpretation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. The Deep State-approved version.

If the editors of his book, Brian McCall and Maike Hickson, used the TWO COLUMN approach to view Vatican Council II, they would cease to be Lefebvrists like Vigano.

If the interpreted Vatican Council II with the RATIONAL PREMISE, RATIONAL INFERENCE AND TRADITIONAL CONCLUSION, they would emerge Feeneyites on extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the Athanasius Creed( Feeneyite-with no exceptions) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX( Feeneyite-with no known exceptions).

But they have to follow Archbishop Carlo Vigano's  approach to Vatican Council II which is also that of Cardinal Claudio Hummes when he offers Holy Mass in Brazil, in the language of the Amazonians, and he will interpret the Council, with the fake premise to reject the First Commandment,’thou shalt have no other God beside me’.

This will also be the approach of Ralph Martin, Robert Fastiggi at the Sacred Heart Major seminary, Detroit, USA and Scott Hahn and Alan Schreck at the Theology Department of the University of Steubenville, USA.They will be at Mass in Engish without the past exclusivist ecclesiology, since Vatican Council II is interpreted with the fake premise, creating a New Theology, which says outside the Church there is salvation, even among those who do not know or do not believe in Jesus Christ.

Scott Hahn, Alan Schreck, Robert Fastiggi and Ralph Martin have decided not to discuss this issue since they are obliged to teach Vatican Council II interpreted with the fake reasoning.

It’s a political interpretation of the Council which creates schism with the past Magisterium and the Tridentine ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.

Cardinal Hummes, like Vigano, is not telling the Brazilian Catholics, that there is true worship in only the Catholic Church when Vatican Council II is interpeted rationally.

At the Amazon Synod he interpreted Vatican Council II with the fake premise and concluded that there is no exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.He criticized the SSPX for beleiving that outside  the Church there is no salvation, since, he said, that they do not accept Vatican Council II. He was referring to Vatican Council II interpreted with the fake premise.

The SSPX also interprets the Council with the fake premise, like Cardinal Hummes, but then rejects the non traditional conclusion. Archbishop Lefebvre did the same.

So the FSSP, at Dijon, France, made of the same cloth will not affirm Vatican Council II with the rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion and tell Bishop Minnerath, that he is wrong in his writings to support a ‘theology of religious pluralism’ . Since there is no known salvation outside the Church according to Vatican Council II. There are no personally known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church in 1965-2021.Practically also, we cannot meet any such person.So how can the bishop propose a theology of religions when there is no known salvation outside the Church to contradit Feeneyite EENS ? The theology of religions which is the subject of some of his books was condemned by Pope John Paul II ( Notification, CDF, Fr. Jacques Dupuis sj, 2001).

Archbishop Vigano and the SSPX supporters have never responded to so many reports on this blog over a long time, which refers to them. Well, what are they going to say? That they interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, unlike Archbishop Lefebvre, Roberto dei Mattei and Michael Davies ? 

The Times of Israel will object.-Lionel Andrades

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