It will be the end of the talks -2

If Fr.David Pagliarani at the doctrinal talks with the SSPX says that invisible cases of 'elements of sanctification and truth'(Lumen Gentium 8) cannot be objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS),it is the end of the talks.

In March 2016 Pope Benedict interpreted Vatican Council II with the hermeneutic of rupture. He said that with Vatican Council II there was a development with respect to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). So EENS was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century(Avvenire).

He meant that there were known non Catholics saved outside the Church with elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8).

He also meant that he knew of non Catholics saved outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church where the true Church of Christ subsists.(LG 8)

So now if the SSPX interprets LG 8 as referring to invisible people in 2018, hypothetical cases known only to God, speculation with goodwill, it means reality is different for the the SSPX and Vatican.

They both are  at talks with different concepts of human reality.What is objective for the Vatican is not physically objective for the SSPX. It is like one group is on the earth and the other on the moon.

-Lionel Andrades

It will be the end of the talks

Cardinal Ladaria has agreed to have doctrinal talks with the SSPX once again, and he will say again that Pope Pius XII and Archbishop Lefebvre criticized Fr. Leonard Feeney for holding the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Bishop Fellay and Fr. Gleize had agreed with him.

Let's see what is Fr.Davide Pagliarani's response.If the new SSPX General Superior says invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance cannot be visible exceptions to EENS, this is common sense and so they made an objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, it will be the end of the talks.-Lionel Andrades