Tuesday, January 22, 2013

CALGARY BISHOP DECLARES SSPX AS 'NOT CATHOLICS'

I have been in communication with the Inter Religious Dialogue and Ecumenism representative in the diocese of Calgary,Canada.There is a new Director now.

She said that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

How can they be exceptions when we do not know a single such case in 2013.

She is rejecting the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with alleged exceptions and of course the diocese of Calgary would consider itself Catholic!

According to Ad Gentes 7 all need faith and baptism for salvation. Protestants with whom there are ecumenical meetings in Alberta, Canada do not have Catholic Faith!

For her Vatican Council II (LG 16 on invincible ignorance ) would be a break with Tradition. A break with the dogma on salvation and the Syllabus of Errors. The Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has said that those who interpret the Council as a break with the past are heretical.This would also apply to the bishop of Calgary,Bishop Frederick Henry ?

Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation and the Diocese of Calgary policy on this issue is :No some do not. They are known to us with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc.
-Lionel Andrades

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Office of Ecumenism and Interfaith Affairs .
Kristoph Franz Dobrowolski, Director
Address:
120 17 Avenue SW ,Calgary,Alberta T2S 2T2
Canada
Telephone: (403) 218-5521
Fax: (403) 264-0526

Calgary Catholics warned about SSPX parish http://www.catholicregister.org/news/canada/item/15625-calgary-catholics-warned-about-sspx-parish



The traditionalists at the St.Benedict Centers,USA could come to the assistance of the SSPX

At the centre of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) rejecting Vatican Council II is the controversy over Fr.Leonard Feeney.

The SSPX and the St.Benedict Centers clashed because both assumed that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance were explicit ,visible and known to us in the present times in specific cases.So the SSPX accepted the baptism of desire etc as an exception to the dogma while the St.Benedict Center, did not consider it an exception.In this sense they rejected it.They rejected defacto, known baptism of desire but accepted it in principle, they even provided a definition of it.


The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St.Benedict Centers are also traditionalists like the SSPX.


They reject the parts of Vatican Council II which they believe clash with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. However in general, in principle they say that they accept Vatican Council II.They choose to leave the controversial parts as un-addressed.


But if there are no known exceptions to the dogma, since the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance etc are just hypotehtical for us,then the Council does not clash with extra ecclesiam nulla salus.There would be nothing in Vatican Council II which contradicts the SSPX and the St.Benedict Center traditional  position on other religions and ecumenism.


So the Prior of the St.Benedict Center,Richmond,N.H for example, would not be able to cite any text in Vatican Council II which would contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus as interpreted by Fr.Leonard Feeney.


If one of the St.Benedict Centers issues a statement saying that Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus, it could be an insight for all Catholics, especially the SSPX.-Lionel Andrades

http://catholicforum.forumotion.com/t1008-traditionalists-at-the-stbenedict-centers-usa-could-come-to-the-aid-of-the-sspx#8676

The baptism of desire has nothing to do with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This was the ‘drama’ of the Archbishop and Jesuits of Boston

Peter Vere, Fr.Francois Laisney of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX),EWTN, the International Theological Commission, the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Fr.William Most and Mnsgr.Fenton, Jeff Mirus of Catholic Culture, Catholics United for the Faith, Catholic Answers and cardinals and archbishops of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, all assume that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II,which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.

In other words the dead- saved exist on earth for them, these cases of the deceased saved with baptism of desire etc in 2013 are visible for them, to be exceptions.They are exceptions to the teaching that every one needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation.



If there are apples in a box and there is also an orange then the orange is an exception because of its colour. It is also an exception because it exists.If it did not exist it would not be an exception.Similarly if there was a group of boys standing in one place and all of them are tall except for one, the one who is short, is an exception also because he is there.He exists there.So the baptism of desire cannot be an exception to the dogma since there are no known cases, there is no visible case. It does not exist explicitly for us.

When they all correct this error they will find that there is no basis for the liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II.

The Council is traditional and in agreement with the SSPX position on other religions, ecumenism and religious liberty.-Lionel Andrades