Monday, May 7, 2012

CARDINAL NEWMAN SOCIETY, ABORTION AND THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Kathleen Sebelius to Speak at Georgetown Commencement Ceremony (1) 

We are still with the basic issue, when that is rejected expect Catholics to reject abortion and other teachings of the Catholic Church.

If Georgetown University and Cardinal Wuerl will not affirm Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the dogma outside the church no salvation why expect them to do so on other issues.

This is a general widespread problem within the Catholic Church. How many alleged Catholics on this website too are in dissent, knowingly or unknowingly.

Here’s what I mean:-


Pope Benedict, CDF oversight directly linked to the Novus Ordo priests rejection of Vatican Council II.

They cannot affirm AG 7 since they believe LG 16 is an explicit exception and the Council contradicts itself.

When was the last time you heard a Novus Ordo or SSPX priest during a homily say: all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to avoid Hell (for salvation)? (AG 7). This is a rejection of Vatican Council II by priests who offer Holy Mass in the vernacular languages.

Fr. Tim Finigan on the blog the Hermeneutic of Continuity will not even answer when asked if he knows any case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16).

The pope, cardinals and bishops assume wrongly that invincible ignorance is an explicit exception to AG 7 and the centuries old interpretation of the dogma, and not just an aphorism, extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Even the Society of St. Pius X which criticizes the Assisi interfaith meeting will not state that all the non Catholics participants were oriented to Hell. Since they assume, that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known exceptions to the literal interpretation of outside the church no salvation.

This is the Richard Cushing Error and Pope Benedict has expressed it in writing in the book Light of the World (Ignatius p.107).Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, the Secretary for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican (CDF) has made the same error in the theological paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 (International Theological Commission).

Since the Letter of the Holy Office 1940 and Cardinal Ottaviani could have also been guilty of this oversight.

They could have assumed that Fr. Leonard Feeney was wrong for denying the baptism of desire etc since they assumed that this was an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus .

This is a factual error of the CDF.We do not know any non Catholic saved with the baptism of desire etc.To claim that there are such cases is false. When repeated after being informed it is a lie. It becomes a sin.

Fr. Anthony Cekada, formerly with the SSPX, condemned the communities of Fr. Leonard Feeney in the USA. He claimed that they have rejected the baptism of desire of the Council of Trent with their literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so they are in mortal sin. He now refuses to apologize or admit that he was wrong but has removed the internet link with this false claim .

The SSPX is selling a book written by Fr.Francois Laisney which says Fr. Leonard Feeney was condemned by the Holy Office for denying the baptism of desire.Fr. Francois Laisney assumes, like Pope Benedict, that the baptism of desire etc are relevant to the dogma i.e it’s known to us and so is an exception.

The sedevacantists Most Holy Family Monastery (Dimond brothers) reject Vatican Council II and the pope, because of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They in turn reject the baptism of desire since they also assume it is explicit and would be an exception to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation. The CDF cannot correct the MHFM since the cardinals at the CDF them self make the same error. Neither can Catholics Answers, Catholics United for the Faith and so many other Catholic organisations, correct the sedevacantists.

This is a general oversight throughout the Catholic Church.If you can misunderstand it and so get rid of a defined dogma why cannot you abandon the Church’s teachings on abortion…?
The Cardinal Newman Society says:
It is scandalous and outrageous that America’s oldest Catholic and Jesuit university has elected to provide this prestigious platform to a publicly “pro-choice” Catholic who is most responsible for the Obama administration’s effort to restrict the Constitution’s first freedom — the right to free exercise of religion — while threatening the survival of many Catholic and other religious colleges and universities, schools, charities, hospitals and other apostolates.

‘Georgetown insults all Americans by this honor. The selection is especially insulting to faithful Catholics and their bishops, who are engaged in the fight for religious liberty and against abortion. The contrast is stark between Georgetown University and those faithful Catholic colleges and universities that have stood for faith and freedom.’

‘the fight for religious liberty and against abortion.’-CNS

What about the issue of the Social Reign of Jesus Christ and the need for all political legislation (including the HHS political mandate on contraception)to be oriented to the teaching of the Catholic Church?

It’s not mentioned by the CNS since it is obviously a non issue when you reject Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with alleged exceptions of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, as if these cases are known to us.

If the CNS really believed in the dogma and AG 7 they would have a moral authority to demand that all legislation, including the HHS Mandate must be rooted in the teaching of the Gospel as interpretated by the Catholic Church. Since outside the church there is no salvation all legislation and political offices must be oriented towards Jesus Christ.

But how can the CNS and the U.S bishops make this demand when the pope does not affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma ? When the pope assumes that there are explicit exceptions, then he can mention only the ‘common good’.

Similarly the Society of St.Pius X believes that there are defacto exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and yet complains about Dignitatis Humanae, Vatican Council II’s position on religious freedom.

So we are back to the basic issue.

The solution is that the USCCB or even a few cardinals state the obvious in public i.e 'we do not know any case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, the baptism of desire etc. These cases are known in Heaven.They are known only to God.’

Thats all.Thats all they have to say.

Then Catholics will understand that that the literal interpretation of the dogma still stands. It means every one on earth needs to enter the Church for salvation.

Abortion :

It means that all the Protestants are going to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church. So no Catholic can believe that a Protestant is going to Heaven even though she uses contraception and their religion permits abortion.

Social Reign

It means that the HHS Mandate needs to be based on the teachings of the Catholic Church since only within the Church there is salvation i.e every one needs to enter the Church. We accept the possibility(only) of a non Catholic being saved in invincible ignorance etc however none of these cases are known to us. So it is not an issue with respect to the dogma which says all need to convert into the Church.Neither does it contradict Vatican Council II (AG 7.

Religious Freedom

The U.S bishops’ present understanding of religious freedom is based on the secular concept. Due to the common oversight, shared also by the pope and the CDF, they cannot affirm the dogma and Vatican Council II(AG 7).So they have to reject the teachings on the Social Reign of Jesus.On abortion they are limited to speak about the natural law.Abortion is contrary to the natural law yes, but it is also a mortal sin and leads to Hell.

The CNS mentions the right to free exercise of religion, this right should also include expressing the Kingship of Jesus Christ over all society; over all humanity and the affirmation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in accord with Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades
(This report has appeared as comments on Cleansing Fire)

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Kathleen Sebelius to Speak at Georgetown Commencement Ceremony

In what can only be interpreted as a direct challenge to America’s Catholic bishops, Georgetown University has announced that “pro-choice” Catholic Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and lead architect of the Obama administration’s assault on religious freedom through the HHS contraception mandate, has been invited to speak at one of Georgetown’s several commencement ceremonies.

The Cardinal Newman Society has posted a petition to protest this outrage here: GeorgetownScandal.com. It has also alerted Washington Cardinal Donald Wuerl and sent a letter to Georgetown President John DeGioia urging him to immediately withdraw the invitation.

Last week The Cardinal Newman Society released a list of 11 scandalous commencement speakers at Catholic colleges and universities, as well as a report on homosexual “lavender graduations” including one at Georgetown.

The nation’s oldest Catholic and Jesuit university has chosen to honor Sebelius by granting her a prestigious platform at its Public Policy Institute commencement ceremony, despite her role as the lead architect of a healthcare mandate that will force Catholic institutions to pay for contraception, abortifacients and sterilization against their religious beliefs. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has termed the mandate “an unwarranted government definition of religion” that is “alien both to our Catholic tradition and to federal law,” “a violation of personal civil rights” and “a mandate to act against our teachings.”

But Secretary Sebelius’ record on abortion is at least as troubling as the mandate. When Governor of Kansas, Sebelius supported abortion rights and vetoed pro-life legislation. In 2008, Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City reportedly told Sebelius, a Roman Catholic, to stop receiving the Eucharist until she publicly recants her position on abortion and makes a “worthy sacramental confession.”


Salvation Outside the Church? Tracing the History of the Catholic Response, by Rev. Francis A. Sullivan, S.J ignores AG 7 being in accord with the literal interpretation of the dogma and Fr.Leonard Feeney.

Msgr.Stephen Pedone responds to the reports on this blog related to the Diocese of Worcester.

Msgr.Stephen Pedone , Judicial Vicar, Tribunal,Diocese of Worcester USA has recommneded that I read the book Salvation Outside the Church ? by Francis Sullivan S.J.

I have sent him a reply mentioning that the book was contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church. It was written by a liberal priest at Boston College who was proved wrong by Dominus Iesus and other Church documents.

Here is my reply sent to him a few days back:

Msgr. Pedone

Praised be Jesus and Our Lady.
I have read it and it is a disapointment.
It was written before Dominus Iesus and Redemptoris Missio.
It ignores AG 7 being in accord with the literal interpretation of the dogma and Fr.Leonard Feeney.
It assumes that LG 16 (invincible ignorance etc) are explicit defacto exceptions to the dogma.
It also assumes that the American Natives before the arrival of the missionaries were saved. This would mean that Catholic Faith and the baptism of water are not the ordinary means of salvation (AG 7) but invincible ignorance.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mentions that there can be non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance etc in 'certain circumstances'. This is definitly not the ordinary means of salvation.

In Christ.
Lionel

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Fr. Stephen Pedone wrote:

Mr. Andres, I suggest you read Salvation Outside the Church? Tracing the History of the Catholic Response, by Rev. Francis A. Sullivan, S.J. Father Sullivan provides an excellent treatment of this matter, scholarly yet very readable. Msgr. Pedone From: Lionel Andrades [mailto:lionelandrades10@gmail.com]

VILLANOVA UNIVERSITY'S JOURNAL AMERICAN CATHOLIC STUDIES' COVER STORY TO CONTAIN FACTUAL ERRORS AND STEREOTYPE POLITICAL PROPAGANDA

American Catholic Studies journal to claim we can know people in Heaven saved in invincible ignorance and  the baptism of desire.

The report will also be hiding a fact: that it was Cardinal Richard Cushing  who considered the baptism of desire etc as explicit exceptions to the dogma and this is heresy.

By publishing this report Villanova University will be saying :
1) we can know of cases of non Catholics saved in invincible  ignorance etc in Heaven.
2) The Faculty and students have the capability to discern and identify these extra ordinary cases.

These are factual statements being made by the University.One does not need a University degree to know that this is a lie and touching the absurd and hilarious.

This is a falsehood. We humans do not know any such cases.
So it will be an error to consider Fr.Leonard  Feeney wrong for
1) denying the baptism of desire being an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
and
2) assuming that there is no such thing as a baptism of desire.Since whether he assumed it or not( that there was a baptism of desire) is irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma outside the church no salvation.

-Lionel Andrades




Caption: Photo of the Vice President at Villanova University

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The following is the e-mail message I sent  yesterday night to Leigh Anne McCabe after receiving her e-mail enquiring about photographs of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
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Dear LeighAnne McCabe,

Praised be Jesus and Our Lady.

I have been monitoring this issue for sometime, so even before you publish your cover story I am sure it will contain these factual errors.

1.The report assumes that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

This is false we do not know any of these cases personally.

2. The report assumes that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 criticized Fr.Leonard Feeney for rejecting the baptism of desire etc. If they did they made a mistake, an objective error. The baptism of desire etc is not relevant to the dogma.

3. The report will be a calumny of Fr.Leonard Feeney since you will assume that he was excommunicated for denying the baptism of desire etc and so he is a heretic.

4. You will also be calling popes, Church Councils, saints and Church Fathers heretics for holding the same position as Fr.Leonard Feeney i.e the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

I can assure you that these will be the factual errors in your coming report.

In Christ

Mr.Lionel Andrades

p.s I do not have any special photos of Fr.Leonard Feeney. Perhaps you could contact one of his religious communities in the USA. The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary hold the same view as Fr.Leonard Feeney on this issue and Villanova University would be calling all of them heretics. Some of these communitied have been granted full canonical status by the Catholic Church.

You can ask at Catholicism.org
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Sunday, May 6, 2012 
American Catholic Studies is to publish a cover essay entitled "American Heretic: The Rise and Fall of Father Feeney"
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/american-catholic-studies-is-to-publish.html#links

AT VILLANOVA CAN THEY SEE PEOPLE IN HEAVEN?