Friday, October 28, 2016

I know what I am saying will be new for you.It will be new for most Catholics

I know what I am saying will be new for you.
It will be new for most Catholics

Yes. Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition only if you use an irrational premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Try it and see.
Give me an example from Vatican Council II. Where does Vatican Council II contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
If Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus then there is no change in the teachings on ecumenism, other religions and the Social Reign of Christ the King.
Give me an example please.


Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition in itself.

It is only a break with Tradition if:-

1.It is assumed that hypothetical cases are not hypothetical but objectively visible in 2016.

2.It is assumed that Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy and not Cardinal Cushng the Archbishop of Boston.

3.It is assumed that Cushingism is the acceptable new theology which replaces Feeneyism.

If you and I are discusing something and I use a different premise then our conclusion will be different. This is what happened with Vatican Council II and it can be corrected.

You read Vatican Council II with a premise at Lumen Gentium 16, for example. I do not.

You assume it(LG 16) refers to known cases of someone saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water. I do not.

So for you Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.Not for me.
-Lionel Andrades

If they would believe Cardinal Cushing and not Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy then the interpretation of Vatican Council II changes : Cardinal Burke, Bishop Athanasius Schneider

It depends upon how Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneidert interpret the Letter of the Holy Office 1949,since this will determine how they interpret Vatican Council II.If they would believe that Cardinal Richard Cushing and not Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy in 1949 then the interpretation of Vatican Council II changes.
If Cardinal Cushing was wrong to assume there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus then Vatican Council II is traditional and has the old ecclesiology.Since there would no be exceptons mentioned in Vatican Council II to the dogma EENS as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.
Presently they both reject Feeneyism which says, according to me, that there are no known exceptions to the dogma EENS.For them there are exceptions!
For the two of them the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to known people saved without the baptism of water.So LG 16 etc become objective and known exceptions to the dogma EENS, even though there are no such cases on earth.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumed that imaginary cases of the baptism of desire etc were not imaginary. This same error in reasoning is made by Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athansius Schneider.
They would also be saying that all Muslims and Jews, besides other non Catholics, are on the way to Hell since they are not incorporated as members into the Church. It would mean that all Protestants and Orthodox Christians need to formally enter the Church to avoid the fires of Hell.(Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441)
-Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 27, 2016

Until Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider affirm Feeneyism as a salvation theology they will not be able to interpret Vatican Council II with the hermeneutic of continuity.Vatican Council II will continue to be a rupture with Tradition.

Pakistan: Muslims threaten riots if Christian woman accused of “blasphemy” is released


Seven years ago, Bibi was picking fruit on a summer morning when she paused for a drink of water at a nearby well. The women she was working with objected, accusing her of contaminating the water because she was a Christian.
During the argument, Bibi asked the women, “I believe in my religion and in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for the sins of mankind. What did your Prophet Muhammad ever do to save mankind?”
The question made the women furious, and they gathered a local mob. Bibi was accused of blasphemy, beaten, and thrown in prison. [Read Bibi’s own account of the incident.]
The Pakistan Sunni Tehreek (PST), a religio-militant Islamic group, has also vowed violent protests across the country if Asia Bibi is released, while the “religious” folks who took to the streets to block the release of Bibi are backed by the Shuhada Foundation, which also issued a statement that its supporters would “take to the streets and keep the government from functioning if Noreen were released.”
Meanwhile, Christian organizations have set up a campaign to save Asia Bibi and other Christians from Pakistan’s barbarous blasphemy laws, under which Christians are frequently falsely charged with blaspheming Islam and/or Muhammad. Christian families have also had to flee their villages in fear for their lives when a family member has been maliciously accused of blasphemy.
Release International is calling for people to sign its petition to Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to abolish those laws, while more than 150,000 Christians have also signed a separate Voice of the Martyrs Call For Mercy petition pleading for Bibi’s life.
“Religious activists warn against release of Aasia Bibi”, The Express Tribune, October 20, 2016:
LAHORE: Religious activists staged a protest on the Mall Road on Wednesday against the possible release of jailed blasphemy convict Aasia Bibi.
Speakers at the protest categorically demanded the Supreme Court to immediately reject her appeal and order her execution, warning of unrest in the country if the apex court did not do so.
The protesters started their march at Data Darbar and then staged a sit-in at Chairing Cross, where they offered Asr and Maghrib prayers. Protesters at the demonstration shouted slogans against the convict, the Supreme Court and the federal government, and in favour of Mumtaz Hussain Qadri, who was hanged for the murder of former Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer.
Religious groups have organised regular protests…..

Pakistan: Muslim mob demands death for Christian teen accused of “insulting Islam”


Such is daily life for non-Muslims in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
“Pakistani Muslim mob demands death for Christian boy who ‘insulted Islam,'” by Lorraine Caballero, Christian Daily, October 19, 2016:
Nabeel Masih, 16, has been accused of blasphemy and is now facing the death penalty after he allegedly posted on Facebook a photo of the Kaaba with a pig’s head on top, an image that local Muslims claimed was “insulting and sacrilegious.” When he faced the court this week, around 80 Muslims confronted the Christian teen and called for him to be hanged, the Express details.
Aside from that, Masih’s lawyers were also threatened by the Muslim mob. Aneeqa Maria, one of his legal representatives, claims that the prosecution threatened their team for taking on Masih’s case.
“The prosecution lawyer said ‘Do you have any idea in what cases are you appearing as a counsel, it’s a blasphemy case and this man has blasphemed against Islam and you should know that Pakistan is an Islamic state, we are all Muslims, and these are Muslim courts so you should not defend such a criminal,” said Maria. ‘You people come from Lahore to pursue this case here we have unlimited people whom you cannot face, so you better watch yourself and stay away.'”
Because of the commotion, the hearing has been postponed until a yet undetermined date. Masih, on the other hand, will remain in jail. His family has fled their home because of the threats against them.
British Pakistani Christian Association (BPCA) chairman Wilson Chowdhry had earlier denounced Pakistan’s blasphemy laws in light of the case of Masih and other Christians being targeted by similar accusations. For him, the incident highlights the “worthlessness” of believers in the South Asian country.
Chowdhry also decried the imprisonment of the Christian teen without a proper investigation. Citing the case of Nadeem James who was accused of blasphemy after a certain poem was planted on a chat app, the BPCA chairman said he would not be surprised if haters had merely tagged Nabeel in the image he allegedly posted.

WikiLeaks: Alliance of Hillary, Iran, Soros and left-wing Catholics


The contents of the email:
I thought you might be interested in this report from the CACG [Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good] exec director Chris Hale on efforts to have the Catholic org community promote the Iran Treaty. There is a tremendous amount of potential in these inter Faith orgs including the ability to reach some working class voters
But when Hale was confronted about the email that WikiLeaks claimed was sent by Podesta, all Hale could reply was this:
“What was communicated in that email is not the right way forward, but I also want to say that I know John Podesta. He’s a good man, he’s a good Catholic, he practices the faith seriously.”
Yet Podesta has stated:
We created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this.
As exposed by WikiLeaks, Christopher Hale, Executive Director of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, said this in an email with the subject heading “Catholic Efforts on Iran Update”:
I think the top-line goal is pretty clear: we need Archbishop William Lori and Cardinal Donald Wuerl to make direct appeals to Senators Cardin and Mikulski on this issue. While I don’t have any advance knowledge, I have a sense from the conversations setting up the meetings that there might be willingness for that to happen.
I’ll be taking some time off on both today and Monday to rejuvenate myself as my colleagues and I continue our grueling preparation for Pope Francis’s apostolic trip to the US. As you can imagine, Iran is just a portion of the work we’re doing in preparation for the Holy Father’s trip.
Meanwhile, Dr. William Donohue, president and CEO of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, stated that Podesta is “hell bent on creating mutiny in the Catholic Church.” Donohue further stated:
The evidence is indisputable: Both of these groups, Catholics in Alliance and Catholics United, were created by Podesta, and funded by Soros, for the express purpose of staging a revolt within the Catholic Church.
Together, they have sought to manipulate public opinion against the Catholic Church.
In 2012, Sandy Newman, founder of the left-wing group, Voices for Progress, asked Podesta for advice on how best to “plant the seeds of the revolution.” The revolution he sought was an attempt to sunder the Catholic Church.
“Hillary Clinton Campaign Forwarded Plan to White House to Promote Iran Treaty Using Catholic Prelates’ Influence”, by Susan Berry, Breitbart, October 22, 2016:
An email from the account of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta reveals White House chief of staff Denis McDonough responding favorably to an email forwarded to him by Podesta from a leftwing “Catholic” organization that said it was arranging meetings with Catholic prelates to urge them to press U.S. senators to vote for the Iran Treaty.
The email, revealed by WikiLeaks, shows a message originally forwarded to Podesta by Fred Rotondaro, chairman of the dissident Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good (CACG), and a senior fellow with Podesta’s organization Center for American Progress.
Rotondaro wrote on August 21, 2015 to Podesta and other Clinton campaign staffers:
I thought you might be interested in this report from the CACG exec director Chris Hale on efforts to have the Catholic org community promote the Iran Treaty. There is a tremendous amount of potential in these inter Faith orgs including the ability to reach some working class voters,
The forwarded message is from Ben Palumbo, a CACG board member, who wrote on the subject of “Catholic Efforts on Iran Update” to Diane Randall and members of the Quakers (Friends) political lobbying organization, CACG’s Hale, and James Salt of Catholics United, another leftwing dissident group that calls itself “Catholic.”
Palumbo wrote about plans to meet with several Democrat U.S. senators:
Hi Diane,
I wanted you to see this report from our Exec. Dir. Chris Hale.
We are going to seek a meeting with Warner, and requests are in the works for Coons and Casey.
Best wishes,
The report, from Hale, first announces CACG’s ad to support the Iran Treaty that is running on leftwing “Catholic” sites National Catholic Reporter and Commonweal.
Hale wrote:
Our advertisement began running on National Catholic Reporter and Commonweal yesterday. Right now, when you click the advertisement, the link takes you to MoveOn’s 60 Day to Stop A War Take Action website. From there, you are able to dial into your Member of Congress and request them to support the Iran Deal.
At some point today, that link will change to our own website, which will list all the groups’ names, simple talking points, and give people a chance to dial in three elected officials (their one US Representatives and two Senators). While the MoveOn site is very effective, ours will ensure that people calling into the offices identify as a person of faith, which is important in both our narrative creation (Catholics support the deal) and coalition building (the God Squad takes action).
Hale then pointed out that his organization is working on letters to Democrat U.S. Sens. Benjamin Cardin and Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, to urge them to vote for the Iran deal.
He continued that CACG was planning to meet with Baltimore Archbishop William Lori and Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C., to encourage them to urge the Maryland senators to vote for the Iran Treaty as well:
The letters to both Senators Cardin and Mikulski have been e-mailed, faxed, and snail mailed to the appropriate parties. This morning, I will make follow up calls to the state chief of staffs and schedulers. I imagine we’ll know early next week if they plan on meeting with our groups’ representatives. If it appears that isn’t the case, I’m developing a grass-tops digital strategy and local media strategy to encourage them to change their minds…
I have phone calls early next week with senior advocacy staffers for the Archdiocese of Baltimore, Archdiocese of Washington (which includes territory in Maryland), and the Maryland Catholic Conference.
While I think there should be many goals for these meetings, I think the top-line goal is pretty clear: we need Archbishop William Lori and Cardinal Donald Wuerl to make direct appeals to Senators Cardin and Mikulski on this issue. While I don’t have any advance knowledge, I have a sense from the conversations setting up the meetings that there might be willingness for that to happen.
I will be sending an additional e-mail to our C4 community on Tuesday to asking them to contact their Members of Congress. This was remarkably successful last week. Based on the digital metrics, we can safely assume thousands of our Catholic brothers and sisters are taking action on this issue. My colleagues will be working with our allies to scan the local newspapers this upcoming week to see if people are communicating faith values in supporting the deal to letters to the editors in newspapers across the nation. My initial sense is that they are. That would be something to be proud of for our group.
I’ll be taking some time off on both today and Monday to rejuvenate myself as my colleagues and I continue our grueling preparation for Pope Francis’s apostolic trip to the US. As you can imagine, Iran is just a portion of the work we’re doing in preparation for the Holy Father’s trip…
I spoke to the White House yesterday and they assure us the media’s moniker calling us “God Squad” isn’t just sweet nothings, but actually a fair assessment of the substantial difference we’re making in this conversation.
Christopher J. Hale
Executive Director
Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good
641 S Street Northwest, Suite 300, Washington, DC 20001
Rebuilding Our Nation, Renewing Our Society
Podesta forwarded the report to McDonough at the White House, who responded to him, “Terrific.”
In a prior email unveiled by WikiLeaks, dated February of 2012, Podesta assured Voices of Progress president Sandy Newman that a “Catholic Spring” which would “plant the seeds of revolution” in the Catholic Church would be realized with the help of his dissident “Catholic” groups.
“We created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this,” wrote Podesta. “Likewise Catholics United.”

Obama team kept list of Muslims for top jobs, excluded non-Muslims


As a “blogger” critic, I am gratified to see this, but it is odd, since so many high-profile Muslim appointments were so obviously not carefully vetted. Take, for example, Mohamed Elibiary, who believes that the U.S. is an Islamic country and that the return of the caliphate is “inevitable,” who was for years a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council. There were questions about Mohamed Elibiary’s true allegiances long before he was appointed to the Council. For quite some time, his Twitter profile incorporated the pro-Muslim Brotherhood hand signal, “R4BIA.” And years ago, he was one of the speakers at a December 2004 conference in Dallas titled “A Tribute to the Great Islamic Visionary.” The visionary in question was none other than the founding father of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Ayatollah Khomeini.
None of that appeared to bother the Obama team.
“LEAKED: Obama Team Kept List of Muslims For Top Jobs, Excluded Non-Muslims,” by Justin Caruso, Daily Caller, October 24, 2016:
The newest batch of John Podesta’s hacked emails released by Wikileaks shows Obama’s transition team kept lists of Muslim and Asian candidates for jobs in the administration.
According to an email chain from 2008, John Podesta received lists of exclusively Muslims and Asians to be considered for jobs in the Obama administration. The email chain revealed that in this process, Middle Eastern Christians were purposefully excluded, or set aside in a separate list, with an aide writing,
In the candidates for top jobs, I excluded those with some Arab American background but who are not Muslim (e.g., George Mitchell). Many Lebanese Americans, for example, are Christian. In the last list (of outside boards/commissions), most who are listed appear to be Muslim American, except that a handful (where noted) may be Arab American but of uncertain religion (esp. Christian).
Also notable, there was concern that some of the Muslims suggested would not survive media scrutiny, with one aide writing, “High-profile Muslim Americans tend to be the subject of a fair amount of blogger criticism, and so the individuals on this list would need to be ESPECIALLY carefully vetted.”
She continues, “I suspect some of the people I list would not survive such a vet — but I do personally know, at least in part, virtually all of the candidates in the 1st two categories (but I know very few of those listed for outside boards/commissions).”
Within the lists themselves, candidates were further broken down, with every candidate labeled by their nationality and sometimes race.
This follows a pattern of the Obama Administration using race and religion to determine hiring, with other leaked emails showing potential political appointees being labeled with an F for female, B for black, H for Hispanic, and M for Muslim….

After Italian town blocks Muslim migrant arrival, Pope calls on Italy to “welcome and care for” Muslim migrants


Ahmad al-Mohammed and one other of the jihadis who murdered 130 people in Paris in November 2015 had just entered Europe as refugees.
In February 2015, the Islamic State boasted it would soon flood Europe with as many as 500,000 refugees. And the Lebanese Education Minister said in September 2015 that there were 20,000 jihadis among the refugees in camps in his country. Meanwhile, 80% of migrants who have come to Europe claiming to be fleeing the war in Syria aren’t really from Syria at all.
So why are they claiming to be Syrian and streaming into Europe, and now the U.S. as well? An Islamic State operative gave the answer when he boasted in September 2015, shortly after the migrant influx began, that among the flood of refugees, 4,000 Islamic State jihadis had already entered Europe. He explained their purpose: “It’s our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world, and we will have it soon, inshallah.” These Muslims were going to Europe in the service of that caliphate: “They are going like refugees,” he said, but they were going with the plan of sowing blood and mayhem on European streets. As he told this to journalists, he smiled and said, “Just wait.”
On May 10, 2016, Patrick Calvar, the head of France’s DGSI internal intelligence agency, said that the Islamic State was using migrant routes through the Balkans to get jihadis into Europe.
The Pope is calling upon Italy, and Europe in general, to invite jihad terrorism and commit societal and civilizational suicide. Is that what Christian charity is, as far as he is concerned? Do Christians have no responsibility to try to protect their own families and children, home and heritage?
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)

APTOPIX Italy Pope Epiphany
“The Latest: Pope calls for generosity in Italy over migrants,” Associated Press, October 26, 2016 (thanks to Lookmann):
…The pope has appealed for openness and generosity over immigration as Italy grapples with how to accommodate a growing number of migrants.
Pope Francis’ appeal on Wednesday came the day after residents of an Adriatic coastal town formed a blockade to prevent the arrival of 12 female migrants, one of them pregnant, who were to be housed in a hostel. In the face of resistance, officials found lodging elsewhere.
Francis said that “in every age, the phenomenon of immigration calls for a response of openness and solidarity. In our own day, the growing influx of refugees fleeing war, famine and poverty is a summons to welcome and care for these brothers and sisters.”…

Germany: Christian refugees flee migrant camp as Muslims threaten to behead “unbelievers”

“When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks” — Qur’an 47:4
Did anyone really think that the Qur’an wouldn’t apply in Europe, and even in German migrant camps?
Muslim persecution Christian refugees Germany
“Christian refugees threatened with beheading for being ‘unbelievers’ by Muslim migrants,” by Rebecca Perring, Express, October 25, 2016:
CHRISTIAN refugees were forced to flee a migrant camp in Germany after Muslim asylum seekers threatened them with “beheading” because they are “unbelievers”.
Christians living in a migrant centre in Rotenburg, central Germany, are facing death threats and ‘sentencing’ by unofficial Sharia council, according to a shocking study released by the Christian persecution charity.
In one horrifying case, a Christian migrant returned from church to find a notice in one of the rooms saying: “To all Muslims: now is the time to behead the unbelievers.”
Christians were forced to flee the camp in a desperate bid to avoid an attack, according to research by Open Doors.
One Iranian recalled the terrifying moment she heard a group of men shouting: “Whoever finds an Iranian woman today may rape and killer her. Kill them all.
“You may kill and rape them. You can do it, everywhere. Wherever you find them, you may do that.”
The panicked woman compared her life to living under the barbaric Islamic State (ISIS).
She added: “We came here to live a free life, but now were are being oppressed heavily.
“It’s just like the Daesh. We feel very oppressed. I am now living under constant pressure and cannot take it any more.
“Nobody is allowed to know that I am Christian, for I am afraid that they might find out about it in Iran. I am living under constant fear and oppression.
Another Iranian Christian claims a Muslim woman took her Bible and tore it in to shreds.
She said: “I am living in fear here, in this accommodation, because again everybody is asking me: ‘Why are you a Christian?
“I fled from these attacks and now I have to live with it in such a confined space….

Pakistan: The Supreme Court adjourns Asia Bibi’s trial

On October 13, 2016, the Supreme Court of Pakistan announced the adjournment of the final trial of Asia Bibi, who was condemned to death for blasphemy in 2010. One of the three judges withdrew on the pretext that he had already been a judge for the trial of Mumtaz Qadri, which was connected with the Asia Bibi affair. On October 10, 2011, Mumtaz Qadri was condemned to death by hanging for the assassination on January 4, 2011 of Salman Taseer, governor of the province of Pendjab. Mumtaz Qadri was the governor’s bodyguard, and killed him for “supporting the blasphemer Asia Bibi” and criticizing anti-blasphemy laws. The condemnation of the governor of Pendjab’s bodyguard caused a great sensation among many of the country’s Islamists, who took his side.
Asia Bibi, avant son arrestation.
Asia Bibi, before his arrest.
The information agency Eglises d’Asie (EdA) voiced its surprise on October 13, 2016 that the Supreme Court judge withdrew only a few hours before the hearing. The date of the trial and the names of the three judges who were to rule on the affair had been known for several weeks. EdA supposes that “this last-minute withdrawal leads to believe there is strong pressure coming from the Islamists,” perhaps even “real death threats.” On the eve of the hearing, the leaders of the Red Mosque, an Islamist fief situated in the heart of the capital Islamabad, warned that they would launch protests throughout the whole country if the Christian was released. EdA also recalled that the Catholic minister of Religious Minorities, Shahbaz Bhatti, was assassinated in 2011 for defending Asia Bibi.
The ministry of Justice now has to designate a new judge. The process should take several weeks, or even several months.
Accused of blasphemy by a Muslim neighbor after a dispute over a bowl of water, Asia Bibi has been in prison for 6 years. She was condemned in her first trial in November 2010, then by the Appeals court in October 2014. If the Supreme Court, the highest court in the Pakistani judiciary system, confirms the capital punishment, her only hope will be a possible presidential pardon.
(sources: apic/cath-info/eda – DICI no.343 dated Oct. 28, 2016)

At Pakistani state schools non Catholics are not allowed to use the common drinking water faucet or the toilets - Prof. Mobeen Shahid

In state schools in Pakistan the few non Catholics who study there cannot use the same drinking water faucet as the Muslims nor are can they use the toilets said Prof. Mobeen Shahid a few minutes back on the VideoTeleradio Padre Pio . The program was  Incontri con la Chiesa che soffre.
He said that when students are taught Physics and Chemistry they are also taught about Islam and that historically Islam is the only religion which has saved mankind.He said the information was not true since historically Islam came after many other religions.Yet Islam is taught as being the only religion which has brought the truth to the world.
In all school and university subjects, Islam has to be learnt by all and this is an interpretation of Islam which directs hatred against other religions and non Muslims in general.
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Interviewed by Alessandro Monteduro Prof.Mobeen Shahid who teaches at the St.John Lateran University in Rome said that according to the Blasphey Law any one who intentionally or unintentionally insults the Prophet Mohammad or the Koran can be hanged.Asia Bibi did not insult the Prophet Mohammad but a charge was brought against her by the Imam of the local mosque.He said no one heard Asia Bibi insult the Prophet.
Presently there are many people in jail, including Muslims, under Pakistan Penal Code's Blasphemy Law 295 B and C.The victims include people who have wrongly been accused due to some personal  litigation and who have misused this law.
He said that the Blasphemy Law does not apply to the prophets of other religions but only that of Islam.
Christians are not allowed to speak about their faith or distribute literature, even to Christians themself, since often there is violence directed at them. The state considers it prosyltism and there are penalties.
He mentioned the case of Sister Danielle Baroncelli, a Pauline sister, at the Pauline bookship in Lahore and the bomb which was placed near the book shop.
Presently the Taliban are attacking schools he said and so there is special protection even for the teachers. In the province of Sind, in the south of Pakistan there is a new system whereby a teacher can immediately call the army for help.Many schools teachers and students have been killed in Taliban attacks.-Lionel Andrades