Wednesday, August 5, 2015

Sedevantist seminary Most Holy Trinity's theology uses the irrational premise and inference to interpret Lumen Gentium, Vatican Council II


http://www.traditionalmass.org/seminary/Bishop Dolan during an ordination




5. Because of the Seminary's adherence to the magisterium of the Church, it wholeheartedly rejects the heretical teaching of Vatican II concerning the unity of the Church, namely that the Church of Christ is not exclusively identified with the Catholic Church, but merely subsists in it.

Lionel:
This is the position of the liberals like Cardinal Walter Kaspar. Pope Benedict XVI has denied it.
There is no mention made on this page to Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II  which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.Ad Gentes  7 supports the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.


 This heretical doctrine is contained principally in Lumen Gentium, and its heretical meaning is confirmed in statements of Paul VI and his successors, particularly in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, in the 1992 Statement concerning Church and Communion, and in the Ecumenical Directory
Lionel:
Lumen Gentium 8 on subsistit it does not state that non Catholics do not need faith and baptism for salvation. So it does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
LG 8 also does not state that there are known cases of persons saved outside the Church.
This is the interpretation of the seminary in Florida. They assume hypothetical cases can be examples of salvation outside the Church in the present times.They assume that these cases are explicit  exceptions to the dogma which says all need the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
The text of Lumen Gentium, Vatican Council II does not state this.


It is contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church, contained principally in Satis Cognitum of Pope Leo XIII, Mortalium Animos of Pope Plus XI, Mystici Corporis of Pope Plus XI and in the condemnations of the "Branch Theory" made by the Holy Office under Pope Pius IX.
Lionel:
Lumen Gentium 8, 14 or 16 do not state that there are known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times.They refer to possibilities.We can assume that these possibilities are saved with or without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
If we assume they are saved with the baptism of water in the Catholic, this would be dogmatic .
If we assume they are saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, this would be irrational and contrary to the dogma. It would be irrational since we do not know any one on earth who is an exception to all needing to formally enter the Church ( the dogmatic teaching). It would be irrational since it would be saying that there are  people now in Heaven saved without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water who are also known or visible to us personally on earth.
Whenever it is inferred that there are exceptions it is presumed that there are known exceptions.Invisible cases cannot be present day exceptions.

6. The Seminary also rejects the teaching of Vatican II concerning ecumenism as overtly heretical, which states that non-Catholic religions are a means of salvation. 
Lionel:
The text of Vatican Council II (UR 3) does not state this.It has to be inferred.
UR 3 could be interpreted as referring to known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church in 'imperefct communion with the Church'. Or it could be referring to hypothetical cases. For the seminary faculty these cases are known so they are exceptions. This is irrational and a falsehood. These cases in Heaven are not known on earth.

This doctrine directly contradicts the teaching of the Church that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, called by Pope Plus IX a "most well-known Catholic dogma." 
Lionel:
It does not contradict the dogma for me.
Instead the seminary's position of there being known exceptions contradicts the dogma. The seminary like the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assume that being saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance refer to known cases in the present times. So it is inferred these cases are exceptions to the traditional Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma.The fault likes with the irrational premise and inference used by Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani and the sedevacantist seminary.

In addition, the ecumenical practices which have resulted from this heretical doctrine are directly contrary to Mortalium Animos of Pope Plus XI.
Lionel:
They ecumenical practices could be based on the same irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II as the Most Holy Trinity seminary in Florida, USA.

-Lionel Andrades


Most Rev. Donald Sanborn, Fr. Cekada, Fr. Joseph Selway, Fr. Nicolas Désposito, Rev. Julian Larrabee.- ALL SILENT

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/most-rev-donald-sanborn-fr-cekada-fr_5.html



There is a mistake on the webpage of the sedevacantist Most Holy Trinity seminary. No one issues a correction/clarification


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/there-is-mistake-on-most-holy-trinity.html

http://www.traditionalmass.org/seminary/

Most Rev. Donald Sanborn, Fr. Cekada, Fr. Joseph Selway, Fr. Nicolas Désposito, Rev. Julian Larrabee.- ALL SILENT

Most Rev. Donald Sanborn, Fr. Cekada, Fr. Joseph Selway, Fr. Nicolas Désposito, Rev. Julian Larrabee.- ALL SILENT



Bp.Sanborn tells me to not send him any mail. Is this all he can say?
The seminary faculty know I am correct and they are keeping silent.
  There is a mistake on this page of the seminary?

-Lionel Andrades


3. The Seminary proposes, as the solution to the aberrations of Vatican II, the complete rejection of this council as a false council, including its decrees and enactments. The Second Vatican Council manifested itself to be a false council, and devoid of the assistance of the Holy Ghost, by the fact that it promulgated doctrines which were previously condemned by the Church 
Lionel:
There are aberrations in Vatican Council II for the seminary, since LG 16,LG 8, UR 3 etc refer to known cases in 2015. If these were considered hypothetical possibilities they would not be exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors etc.But they are not hypothetical possibilities for the faculty.
The fault is not with the Council but with the wrong inference used by the seminary.
For example if Lumen Gentium 16 ( saved in invincible ignorance) refers to explicit, objective and  seen in the flesh cases in 2015 or the past, then there would exceptions in Vatican Council II to the the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors etc.
For me Lumen Gentium 16 refers to hypothetical possibilities known only to God. Hypothetical cases cannot be  objectively known in 2015.
So these cases would be followed with the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for the person to be saved. This is the dogmatic teaching.
Anyway they always refer to theoretical cases, speculation and can never be defacto, objective cases on earth.
This is the error made by the faculty and students of this sedevacantist seminary in Florida,USA.

There is a mistake on the webpage of the sedevacantist Most Holy Trinity seminary. No one issues a correction/clarification

Bishop Dolan during an ordination

Lionel Andrades

Lionel:
There is a mistake on the Most
Holy Trinity seminary of the sedevantists.
 No one issues. a correction/clarification.



'The Seminary professes that Vatican II 
and the doctrinal, disciplinary and liturgical
 reforms...' states the webpage of 
the seminary.


The seminary
 assumes LG 16 is refers to an explicit
 case which is an exception to EENS
 so Vatican Council II is a break
 doctrinally...
The Most Holy
 Trinity Seminary(Florida) is making the 
same error as Wikipedia , the liberals 
and the Jewish Left.
 
-Lionel Andrades


Wikipedia and Most Holy Trinity,
Florida sedevacantist seminary make 
the same error
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/wikipedia-and-most-holy-trinity-usa.html



2. The Seminary professes that Vatican II and the 
doctrinal, disciplinary and liturgical reforms which
 have proceeded from it are substantial  
alterations of the Catholic Faith. It professes 
that these heretical, evil, and blasphemous
 reforms can in no way proceed from the 
Roman Catholic Church, since she is 
infallible in her doctrines,
Lionel:
The seminary faculty and students assume LG
 16 refer to known and visible cases. They use
 this irrational premise to infer that there are
 known exceptions to the rigorist 
intepretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam
 nulla salus.

 since she is infallible in her doctrines
Lionel:
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus was 
an infallible teaching and it was uphold by 
the magisterium until 1949. Before 1949 
no magisterium inferred that the baptism 
of desire and being saved in invincible 
ignorance were known and explicit 
to be exceptions to the rigorist 
interpretation of the dogma.
So the seminary holds the post 1949
 position initiated by the Letter of 
the Holy Office. This is a contradiction
 of the pre-1949 teaching on the
 infallible teaching.The pre 1949
 magisterium teaching is accepted
 by the liberals and the Vatican Curia.
This is a mistake. Since how can
 unknown cases be known 
exceptions to the traditional 
interpretation of the dogma?
Where were the exceptions
 in 1949 to the Feeneyite
 version of the dogma? 
What were their names?
Who at the Holy Family
 Monastery, Florida knows 
of an exception to the 
Feeneyite version of the
 dogma in 2015?-Lionel Andrades