Saturday, October 5, 2013

Celebrating the canonisation from a traditionalist perspective

Pope John Paul II (left) and Pope John XXIII

CELEBRATING THE CANONISATION

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We must continue to support Pope Francis-he still has not discovered that there are no known exceptions to the Church's traditional teaching on faith and morals

CELEBRATING THE CANONISATION

It is time to interpret Vatican Council II without the dead man walking and visible theory and so the canonisation of the two popes, Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul II could be a celebration for all Catholics, including traditionalists.
 Pope John Paul II (left) and Pope John XXIII
Pope John XXIII's Vatican Council II is traditionalist  when the  popular Cushing interpretation is not used. So Catholics should celebrate and show how the Council is in harmony with Catholic Tradition, there being no ambiguity on other religions and Christian communities. When this is clear it could be seen how Religious Liberty in the Council can be interpreted according to Tradition. Since Dignitatis Humane  in Vatican Council II refers to religous liberty in a secular state. A state with a secular Constituion the text says. This is a defacto situation which exists and is accepted by all today. It is the legal norm.At the same time DH affirms the traditional teaching on religous liberty, the moral obligation to proclaim a Catholic Faith, outside of which there is no salvation.
 
 CELEBRATE!
Discerning traditionalists could organise meetings and conferences, place announcements and advertisements in the media, where possible, which show Pope John XIII and Vatican Council II being traditional , without the dead man walking theory.
' A premise-free Council is a traditional Council !'
(How is that for a slogan ?!)
 
Another subject for a Conference could be :
Vatican Council II and Fr.Leonard Feeney: The Dogmatic Constitution of the Church in  Lumen Gentium 14 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 
Another Conference :
The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) and the sedevantistists CMRI, MHFM and others misinterpret the two popes and Vatican Council II  when they use the false premise.
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Did Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre know about the false premise ? Two ways to interpret his 'Hindu in Tibet saved in his religion through Jesus' concept.
 
The leftist ADL,SPLC and Freemason Lodges are using the Cushing view of Vatican Council II with the irrational premise- the two popes are not to be blamed for the error of the secular media.
 
Someone needs to inform Wikipedia.
Etc, etc.
-Lionel Andrades

We must continue to support Pope Francis-he still has not discovered that there are no known exceptions to the Church's traditional teaching on faith and morals

Traditonalists need to support Pope Francis and avoid the dead man walking theory. It is possible that at some time in the future he and the Jesuits may realize that we cannot see the dead one earth  who are known exceptions;  visible exceptions, to the traditional teaching on faith and morals.Until this  realization , this awarenmess of the error,  dawns on Pope Francis we just have to wait.It has taken some 60-plus years in the Church, before we discovered the error , the false premise being used in the interpretation of magisterial documents, the legacy of Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits in Boston. The American problem!
 
Let's face it. Catholic conservatives and traditonalists are  using the same error of being able to see the dead saved. When did Michael Voris   ever say that Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 agree with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors and that Lumen Gentuim 16  and Lumen Gentium 8 are not known exceptions to AG 7 and LG 14 ? Instead he says the Council is ambigous ! Ambigous on other religions and Christian communities? There are known exceptions to the dogma mentioned in the Council ? He can name these exceptions?.
 
So can we blame Pope Francis and Cardinal Walter Kaspar when the traditionalists  make the same error?
 
Pick up any book of Roberto Dei Mattei on Vatican Council II and you will come across the dead man walking theory, even though it is not mentioned in Vatican Council II. When did Mattei say that the Council is in agreement with Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston and Tradition in general?
 
So can we blame only the Jesuits ?
 
When the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney in the USA, the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, can say in public that Vatican Council II does not  contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Catholic professors dismissed by Boston College for their Catholic beliefs , in a religious discrimination and an injustice,  then we can expect the pope to come back to a Catholic Tradition.
 
Pope Francis is our pope and we support him (except in error) and pray for him.-Lionel Andrades

The political ideology of Pope Francis?

Unknowingly, Pope Francis like most Jesuits, interprets magisterial documents using a false premise.From Mystici Corporis  of Pope Pius XII to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, he inserts irrationality into the text. This is  the basis of a political ideology. He reads simple Catholic documents as emerging liberal, non traditional  and pro-Left. Here are some examples. 
 
VATICAN COUNCIL II

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel...-Ad Gentes 7

FEENEYISM: The orange text does not contradict the text in yellow since the cases referred to are defacto not known to us, personally .We do not know and cannot know these cases. So they are not exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

CUSHINGISM: The orange text contradicts the text in yellow .It is assumed that thse cases are known to us in the present times. We can see the dead who are known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Pope Francis uses the irrational interpretation of the two possibilities above.  
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846
FEENEYISM: The orange text does not contradict the text in yellow since the cases referred to are defacto not known to us, personally .We do not know and cannot know these cases. So they are not exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

CUSHINGISM: The orange text contradicts the text in yellow .It is assumed that thse cases are known to us in the present times. We can see the dead who are known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Pope Francis uses Cushingism which is irrational, a break with the past and leans towards  the political ideology of the Left. He does all this by using a false premise. The false premise is being able to see the dead who are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is the case of the dead man walking and visible to him.
 
The false premise which the pope uses, entered the Church in the 1940s in Boston. Traditionalists however are free from this objective error.It is a fact that we cannot see the dead.So when Pope Francis  referred to the 'political ideology' of the Traditional Latin Mass he was refering to Catholics who support Tradition, which is free of the false premise.
 
However traditionalsts (SSPX, FSSP, sedevacantists) make the same error of the pope when they intepret magisterial documents after 1940 using the same  irrational premise; the dead man walking theory, which contradicts the dogma which says all need to be visible members of the Catholic Church.
 
Over the last few months Pope Francis has extended this error  to morals,  this factual error, of knowing exceptions to traditonal teaching.So when he says an atheist can be saved he is referring to a known case. Since  he can seemingly  name someone who will be an exceptional case in future and be saved. This is irrational however this is the reasoning he and the liberals use.The Church teaches, traditionally that the atheist is going to Hell. We know  Pope Francis does not know any excpetion since a seemingly good person could commit a mortal sin later in life and lose his salvation at the point of death.
 
With this irrationality Pope Francis creates a 'political idelogy' pleasing to the  the dissenters and heretics and the political Left now in power.Of course this is not the 'political ideology' of the Traditonal Latin Mass as he mentioned in the interview with the  Jesuit magazine, which in general, also uses the false premise in interpreting magisterial documents.
 
So the next time Pope Francis is critical of 'triumphalism' know that he means there are known exceptions in 2013 to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
When he asks who is he to judge the homosexual , he means he can meet a practising homosexual, whom he has judged as not going to Hell.Another known exception.
 
It is as if he can name a homosexual or atheist in the present times  who is an exception. This sinner does not  need to change his life style or enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.This is the legacy of the Jesuits, when they dismissd Fr.Leonard Feeney from the Jesuit Order   claiming there are known exceptions to his literal and traditional interpretation of the dogma on salvation.

When he does not tell a non Catholic that he needs to enter the Church for salvation he means there are known cases, exceptions, to the literal interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
When he assumes that Vatican Council II is a break with the past he assumes there are known exceptions mentioned in the Council, to Tradition in general.
 
I don't know if Pope Francis knows that if he did not use the dead man walking theory he and the Church would be persecuted by those who now are  praising him.-Lionel Andrades
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