Saturday, March 31, 2018

Traditionalists and sedevacantists are contributing to Cardinal Nicols and Eugenio Scalfari's statement on Hell.






Traditionalists and sedevacantists are contributing to Cardinal Nicols and Eugenio Scalfari's statement on Hell.
Card.Nicols like the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) bishops and the sedevacantists CMRI,Most Holy Trinity seminary,the  St. Gertrude the Great Church,Most Holy Family Monastery USA etc have interpreted Lumen Gentium 8 as referring to explicit cases.Since they are people physically visible and known they then wrongly infer that these are examples of salvation outside the Church.So they become exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The past ecclesiology has become obsolete for them with this reasoning.
So Cardinal Nicols does not mention EENS being the ordinary way of salvation, the norm for all to get to Heaven.Meanwhile he suggests that he can judge exceptions to the norm, example, suicide cases.
Since EENS has been rejected with the irrationality; the false premise,the liberals say that we cannot judge when a suicide  case could be in Heaven, or a Protestant, is saved in his religion or someone has been saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and in invincible ignorance.They are really judging exceptions to the rule and then say that we  humans cannot judge.
The cardinal really suggests that we cannot judge in individual cases. So in this way he rejects the traditional salvation theology( Feeneyite EENS) and moral theology (Amoris Laetitia) by judging exceptions.
The Bible says homosexuals are on the way to Hell but the cardinal would judge that who are we to judge, we cannot really judge. There could be exceptions known to him. So could know and judge that there are exception.
Now if the sedevacantists and traditionalists would affirm Feeneyite EENS and Vatican Council II( Feeneyite.-without the irrational premise),as being the norm for exclusive salvation in the Church, then the liberals could not judge  individual cases,as being an exception to EENS. There would be no development of EENS as it was known to the  missionaries and Magisterium  of the 16th century for example.But presently the conservative Catholics reject Feeneyite EENS like the liberals and they judge that there are known exceptions of BOD, BOB, I.I, LG 8 etc so Feeneyite EENS is obsolete for them too.Like the liberals they judge that Vatican Council II is a rupture with EENS and the rest of Tradition.
- Lionel Andrades

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Pro Masonic Cardinal Nicols does not say that the norm for salvation is membership in the Catholic Church , this is the ordinary way to avoid Hell and most people do not die as Catholics

'There is no way in any Catholic teaching which says that any one person is in Hell', says Archbishop Nicols who rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). 1
The dogma tells us that all need faith and baptism for salvation, all need to be members of the Church to avoid Hell and go to Heaven.This Catholic teaching is repeated in Vatican Council II( Ad Gentes 7). So the norm to go to Heaven and avoid Hell has always been membership in the Catholic Church. This is the ordinary way of salvation and we know most people die outside the Church.



So regarding the man who commits suicide the Church has never, over the centuries said that it knows of any one who will be an exception to the general teaching.So unlike the practise of the  liberal ecclesiastics in England today , a Catholic who commits suicide was not given a burial.
St.Augustine, like St. Thomas Aquinas held the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. St.Augustine does not state that he knows of any suicide who will be an exception to the norm.No one on earth can make this claim. No one can say that there are known people saved outside the Church.No one on earth can say that the mercy of God in 2018 has come upon a particular person who has committed suicide and so he will not go to Hell.
But the exceptions are the norm for the English bishops and the Masons.
It is ecclesiastical Masonry since the 1940's which  has been projecting hypothetical and invisible people,  as being exceptions to the norm.
The cardinals at the Holy Office(1949) along with the Masons in Boston excommunicated Fr. Leonard Feeney for not saying like them, that invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are explicit and objectively visible - and they are examples of salvation outside the Church. This is irrational and non traditional and has not been the teaching of the Church over centuries but it has been supported by the English bishops.The rejection of this traditional Catholic teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church , would be 'Catholic teaching' for Cardinal Nicols as it was for the late Cardinal Murphy O Connors who rejected the dogma EENS and interpreted Vatican Council II as a rupture with the past ecclesiology of the Church. Now that he is on the other side , like Lazarus, he must know if Hell has fire.
According to the teachings of the Catholic Church,  in 2018, all the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists etc are on the way to Hell, since they die without faith and baptism (AG 7, LG 14) while LG 8, LG 16, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 in Vatican Council II, refer to hypothetical and invisible people ( they cannot be anything else)  and so would not be exceptions to the traditional teaching on the ordinary way of salvation.
The saints have referred numerous times to fire and brimstone in Hell. Here are some references to fire in Hell from the Bible.

Which of you can dwell with devouring fire? which of you shall dwell with everlasting burnings- Isaiah 33:14 

Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.- Matthew 25:41 (Douay Rgeims Catholic Bible)

And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.-Matt.25:46

And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:50

And if thy hand, or thy foot scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee. It is better for thee to go into life maimed or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into everlasting fire. - Matthew 18:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.- Revelation 21:8.


When I was a seminarian at the Beda Pontifical College, the seminary for late vocations under the  bishops of  England and Wales, I knew that it was a pro-Masonic seminary.Situated in front of  the Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Wall, Rome,  the English priests,one was my Spiritual Director, would repeat the same Masonic line on Hell.
They all rejected the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since the baptism of desire referred to known people saved outside the Church for them,. So Fr. Leonard Feeney was wrong and the Holy Office was correct for them. They also interpreted Lumen Gentium 16, Lumen Gentium 8 etc  as referring to known people saved outside the Church.
So the Rector would say that salvation is open for all( as the priests in Rome are now forced to say at Mass) and all do not need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.I corrected the Rector, Mons. Roderick Strange, who is no more the rector according to their website. He is the Chair of the Beda Association.

I said that in potential Jesus died for all and to receive this salvation all need to enter the Church (Dominus Iesus 20) but he refused to affirm this traditional teaching.

A Dominican priest at that time said that it was alright to be a member of the Masons as a social club.
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Another priest, Fr.John Fuellenbach svd , who had written book which was popular at that time( some 16 years back) did not believe in Hell.He and I would go back and forth in front of the whole class of mostly English seminarians. They are priests now and have to tow the official line on Hell, that Cardinal Nicols repeats, to remain priests there.
-Lionel Andrades

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MARCH 31, 2018

"No Fire in Hell" - London Cardinal Ignores the Gospel
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/no-fire-in-hell-london-cardinal-ignores.html


2.
http://www.bedacollege.org/staff-at-the-beda




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So when there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to Feeneyite EENS why blame Pope Paul VI? How can they blame the popes from John XXIII for a traditional Vatican Council II ?

 


MARCH 31, 2018


Sedevacantism, Traditionalism and Liberalism based on Vatican Council II with the premise is finished : the LOHO(1949) and liberal theologians depended upon an objective error

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/sedevacantism-traditionalism-and.html






"No Fire in Hell" - London Cardinal Ignores the Gospel



"No Fire in Hell" - London Cardinal Ignores the Gospel








Westminster Cardinal Vincent Nichols told the BBC (March 30) that fire and brimstone have "never been part of Catholic teaching" on hell claiming that this originates only from iconography.


Nichols went on putting Lenin, Hitler or Churchill, the butcher of Dresden, among the saints by suggested that hell could be empty although Christ says in Mt 26:24 that Judas is in hell.



Nichols does not know that Christ calls hell a "furnace of fire" (Mt 13:50) where "the fire is not quenched" (Mk 9:48).



The Revelation of Saint John describes hell as a place where the wicked are "tormented with fire and brimstone” (Rev 14:10-11) and as a "lake of fire" (Rev 20:14-15).



In Mt 7:13-14 Christ says, "Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it; but small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it" - stating that a majority of men go to hell.



The myth that in hell there is no physical fire was invented in the 1950-ies in Germany.
Picture: Vincent Nichols, © Mazur/catholicchurch.org.uk, CC BY-NC-SA#newsMdttelohsk
https://gloria.tv/article/SSdJpK3bpFsp3zvTNugaRc1Lv






Spanish Military Flies Flags at Half-Mast for Good Friday

March 30, 2018


Spanish Military Flies Flags at Half-Mast for Good Friday





In Spain, the flags are set to half-mast on Good Friday in all military institutions.

Madrid (kath.net) In Spain, the flags are set to half-mast on a
Good Friday in all military institutions. The occasion is Good Friday and the memory of the death of Christ. A statement announces that this measure will be implemented by 12.01 until Easter Sunday. The Spanish military will also be involved in more than 150 Easter parades and celebrations in over 80 cities at Easter. It is emphasized that the freedom of religion is respected and no military member is forced to attend.
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.it/2018/03/spanish-military-flies-flags-at-half.html

Sedevacantism, Traditionalism and Liberalism based on Vatican Council II with the premise is finished : the LOHO(1949) and liberal theologians depended upon an objective error

Sedevacantists now know that invisible cases mentioned in  Mystici Corporis, Quanta Cura, the Catechism of Pope Pius X  etc cannot be visible exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
They know that invisible and hypothetical cases mentioned in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 are not explicit.So they are not exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
They know that for there to be exceptions to EENS someone must exist, there must be a real person saved outside the Church.
So they now know that Lumen Gentium 8( 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions) are not real people in 2018.So there is no contradiction to  the dogma EENS in 2018.
So when there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS and the old exclusivist ecclesiology, how can they criticize Pope Paul VI? How can they blame the popes from John XXIII for a traditional Vatican Council II ( premise free).







Vatican Council II is traditional and we can atted the Novus Ordo Mass with the ecclesiology of the Church having the superiority in salvation.
We can attend the Greek Byzantine Rite  and Syro Malabar Rite with the past ecclesiology. This was the ecclesiology of the Church since the time of St. Thomas the Apostle.This is now possible since we now know that there are no exceptions to EENS mentioned in Vatican Council II or the LOHO(Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston).
Sedevacantistism, traditionalism and liberalism based on Vatican Council II (Cushingite, with the false premise) is now obsolete. Vatican Council II can be affirmed without the false premise.
The sedevacantists Most Holy Family Monastery, USA 1 would refer to the Vatican Council II sect.Since Vatican Council II was interpreted wrongly  as a rupture with EENS.They need to acknowledge this issue on their website.
Also the website of Bishop Donald Sanborn, Bishop and Rector of the Most Holy Trinity Seminary, Brooksville, Florida 2 needs to acknowledge that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance)I.I) refer to unknown people in 2018. It is the same with LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.
Bishop Sanborn and Fr. Anthony Cekada still have articles on line criticizing Fr.Leonard Feeney.These articles are not removed even after they have been informed.Years have passed. The points mentioned on this blog addressed to them specifically are never addressed.Their articles  online are based on invisible BOD etc being visible and known exceptions to EENS in the present times.3
Conservative Cathollics need to call attention to the error made by Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) in the question and answer session of the Press Conference on Placuit Deo (March 1,2018).He cited Lumen Gentium 8 as being a visible and known case of someone saved outside the church. So for him it was an exception to the dogma EENS. The dogma EENS is now obsolete for him and Pope Benedict.
The same error was made by Pope Benedict in March 2016 (Avvenire).He said EENS was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century.Since for him Vatican Council II , with LG 16, GS 2 etc ( See Chrisitianity and the World Religions of the International Theological Commission, Vatican which he approved as Cardinal Ratzinger) were known cases of salvation outside the Church. 
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Sedevacantists and traditionalists need to clarify these point and admit that they were wrong all these years. They need to place a correction on their websites.
Outside the Church there is no salvation and so no one physically saw St. Emerentiana in Heaven without the baptism of water.The Church does not state that anyone has a special gift and saw her Heaven  and also recognised her without the baptism of water.
We can accept her as a saint but to suggest that she is an exception to the general rule for salvation, which is faith and baptism for all (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II) has no empirical proof.
The Holy Spirit teaches the Church that all need faith and baptism for salvation(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) etc.This is our faith.This is the ordinary way of salvation.If someone is saved through the 'extraordinary ' way of salvation( baptism of desire without the baptism of water) it would only be known to God.So it canot be an explicit example of salvation outside the Church for us humans. It cannot be an exception to EENS for us.

Catholics must note the error on the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) website on the subject of Feeneyism The same error is made in a book by Fr. Francois Laisney titled 'Is Feeneyism Catholic'. It is published by the Angelus Press.
The SSPX and its supporters have annual conferences based upon visible for them BOD, BOB and I.I. and so their conclusions are the same and they keep moving in circles.
-Lionel Andrades


1.
Most Holy Family Monastery

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/E-Exchanges.php



2.

http://mostholytrinityseminary.org/


3.

http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=28&catname=2
http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=28&catname=2

http://mostholytrinityseminary.org/Anti-Feeneyite%20Catechism%201%20&%202.pdf


4.

http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_errors_of_feeneyites.htm

https://angeluspress.org/products/feeneyism-catholic
https://www.amazon.com/Feeneyism-Catholic-Meaning-Outside-Salvation/dp/1892331047



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MARCH 30, 2018









Good Friday : Catholics throughout the world today will pray for the conversion of non Catholics into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/good-friday-catholics-throughout-world.html




MARCH 30, 2018

Ask your sedevacantist and SSPX priest the following questions
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/ask-your-sedevacantist-and-sspx-priest.html



MARCH 27, 2018




Sedevacantists can inform the  and local bishops that they are no more in sedevacantism because of Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/sedevacantists-can-inform-vatican-and.html