Sunday, September 23, 2012

BISHOP OF FRASCATI 'S APOLOGETICAL PAMPHLETS WITH ERRORS AND CONTRADICTIONS

The Bishop of Frascati, Italy's pamphlets are unfortunate. They are available in Rome.


The style and contents are confusing. There is no new Revelation but he is using the new doctrine of the visible dead..He assumes we know the dead saved. So did Fr. Hans Kung and Fr. Karl Rahner. They were  sure the dead are saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us. So Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the traditional understanding.


Having established the new doctrine,the 'new fact' of being able to see the dead on earth they make conclusions and posited them as Catholic teaching.


Since we can see the dead saved there is salvation outside the church for them. So the defined dogma on salvation became  obsolete.


2. Since there is salvation outside the Church it means those who are not baptised can be saved . So there is salvation outside the Church for infants.


Since there is salvation outside the church mission must not depend on saving souls from Hell but in showing them the beautiful face of Jesus.

One can expect contradictions in the bishops apologetic material


If you ask two questions they see their whole house of cards crumble. So they don't answer.


It's not their fault . They are preserving the faith even with the limitations set on them The error has been passed on from Boston in the 1940's. The wrong interpretation can also be made of Vatican Council II - and it is being made. They are not aware of the Cardinal Richard Cushing error of the visible dead being an exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation.Others who are aware of the error must want to deal with it but it is difficult


I think we should face it and go forward. We can't claim something is the truth when it is not. We end up with so much of confusion. This shows up in the pamphlets inspite of the good intentions of the good bishop of Frascati -Lionel Andrades

THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL II IN NO WAY AFFFECTS THE DOGMA OF NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH- Brian Hughes

SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH?
By Brian Hughes
http://www.unitypublishing.com/godskingdom/NoSalvationBrian.html

What has been declared at the second Vatican Council is no new dogma, but merely the reassertion of an ancient truth, and it in no way affects the dogma of "no salvation outside the Church".- Brian Hughes


Lionel:
This is a good article.
I want to add that nothing in Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Then the writer refers to the supporters of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Fr.Leonard Feeney’s position on the baptism of desire is irrelevant to the dogma. Whether there is a baptism of desire or there is not it does not contradict the dogma since the baptism of desire is always implicit. It is never explicit for us.-Lionel Andrades
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