Thursday, November 29, 2012

THE SSPX HAS SAID IT ACCEPTS VATICAN COUNCIL II AS AN HISTORICAL EVENT THIS SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR CANONICAL STATUS

The interpretation of Vatican Council II by many communities is based on an irrational premise of being able to see the dead.The SSPX cannot be expected to accept it.

When the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) says it rejects Vatican Council II they mean they reject the Council with the irrational premise.It's the use of the false premise which makes the Council modernist.

When the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) corrects the false premise there could be Catholic communities who could then reject Vatican Council II.They now accept it. So accepting one of two interpretations of Vatican Council II should not be made a criteria for granting the SSPX canonical status.

When the CDF announces that 'we cannot see the dead who are saved', Vatican Council II will be in agreement with the SSPX position on other religions.The Council would affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The CDF would then have changed the interpretation of the Council, an intepretation which it now wants the SSPX to accept.

The CDF must realize that the fault is not with the SSPX but with the premise used- a rational or an irrational one.

The media which criticizes the SSPX assumes we can see the dead and so Vatican Council II is a break from traditional teaching on other religions.The CDF has still to issue a correction regarding the Reuters and Washington Post reports in September 2012.

Eventually it will be clear that the premise creates the interpretation of Vatican Council II.So the CDF could allow the SSPX to enter the Church with full canonical status based on their accepting Vatican Council II as a historical event.-Lionel Andrades

Vatican Council II does not contradict itself or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. We cannot see the dead.- Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments,Vatican

Today morning I had an appointment at the office of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments,Vatican with an official representing Cardinal Antonio Cañizares Llovera. It was raining at St.Peter's Square where work on the crib has begun.

Yesterday I visited the office and asked for 10 minutes to ask two questions on Catholic doctrine related to the liturgy.

Today we spoke in English.We agreed that we could not see the dead. The dead saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, seeds of the Word, imperfect communion with the Church, elements of sanctification etc were known only to God. So these cases could not be cited as exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which says all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.He agreed that Vatican Council II does not contradict itself.Lumen Gentium 16 does not contradict Ad Gentes 7.Neither does Vatican Council II contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or, Tradition in general.

So is this an impediment for the priest offering Mass, if it is known and denied in public?

If the priest knowingly denies Vatican Council II(AG 7), the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Nicene Creed (I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins) then this was an issue for the local bishop. The Congregation leaves this issue for the bishop to decide he said.

He offers Mass daily, he said, and he knows that the dead are not visible and these cases are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and neither does Vatican Council II contradict itself or the dogma on exclusive salvation.

He said he wanted to restrict himself to the liturgy only, as instructed by Cardinal Antonio Cañizares Llovera, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, and so did not want to talk about the doctrinal issue of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX).

The message was clear - a priest, bishop or cardinal who offers Holy Mass should not deny Vatican Council II (AG 7),the Nicene Creed and the thrice defined dogma with alleged explicit implicit salvation.

No Magisterial text states that the deceased saved are visible to us on earth or that they are defacto, explicit exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation. This is falsely implied by the media.

The clarification by this official is important for the present SSPX canonical issue.Since it means that Vatican Council II does not contradict the SSPX position on other religions and ecumenism.

The ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is ecclesiocentric.

Vatican Council II is not a break from the past since implicit salvation is never explicit; there is no known salvation outside the church in 2012.

This is an issue based on universal reason (we cannot see the dead) and not on theology.-Lionel Andrades