Friday, October 12, 2012

Is anyone at home?

I had gone to the Jesuit Curia house a few weeks back. This was not the first time. I asked for an appointment with the Master General or anyone representing him. I referred to relevant blog posts and asked if they could answer the two questions. Even if I could not be given an appointment they could email the answer to the two questions.

There is still no response. How can I get a response  or acknowledgment?

Distributing leaflets to all who enter and leave the Jesuit office ?
-Lionel Andrades

To Father Adolfo Nicolas, SJ.

NO ACKNOLWEDGEMENT FROM THE JESUITS

UNBELEIVING AUXILIARY BISHOP OF ROME OFFICIATES AT FEAST OF ST.GIOVANNI LEONARDI

The feast of St. Giovanni Leonardi the founder of Propaganda Fide was celebrated this week with an Auxiliary Bishop of Rome, Mons. Matteo Zuppi in attendance, according to an announcement at the Church of San Giovanni Leonardi in Rome.


Unlike the bishop, the saint did not believe that there were explicitly known to us cases of the baptism of desire. Neither did he believe that there were known to us cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance in the present times.I spoke to him a few times.He does not believe in the dogma.


For this bishop the dogma was relevant for its time only and not any more since the (explicit) baptism of desire and (explicitly) being saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, seeds of the word, imperfect communion with the church are known exceptions to the dogma on salvation.


The Italian St. Giovanni Leonardi  born in 1541 held  the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus .St.Maximillian Kolbe also believed in the dogma in the 1930’s and Pope Pius XII in 1949 referred to it as ‘the infallible statement’.So the dogma was not relevant only for its time.The dogma is irrelevant for today only if one believes that the baptism of desire is explicit for us.


Vatican Council II (1965) without the false premise of being able to see  the dead saved, also affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to St. Giovanni Leonardi.


Since we do not know any one dead and saved in 2012 there are no exceptions to the dogma and the Syllabus of Errors.

No text in Vatican Council II claims that these cases are explicitly known to us or that they contradict the dogma or the Syllabus.

According to a priest of the community of St. Giovanni Leonardi, Fr.Davide Carbonaro, there are no known cases of the baptism of desire in the present times. So there are no exceptions to the dogma in Vatican Council II.There are also no exceptions to Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston's understanding of the dogma.

 The bishop has to assume it does contradict the dogma without any reference text from the CouncilI spoke to Mons.Matteo a few times during the period he was the Parish Priest at the Church Santa Maria in Trastevere, Rome.- Lionel Andrades

SSPX DISTRICT ITALY CONFERENCE ON VATICAN COUNCIL II TO USE THE FALSE PREMISE


The District of Italy of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) is organizing its 20th Rimini Conference, to be held on October 19-21, 2012, on the theme “Vatican Council II: Tradition or Revolution? At the origin of the Crisis in the Church”. according to the DICI news.

Lionel : The speakers do not  know that it depends on the premise used which will decide if Vatican Council II is according to Tradition or revolution. At 'the origin of the Crisis in the Church' is the false premise being used by the SSPX speakers. They imply  that the dead saved in heaven are visible on earth to us and so they are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.Hence they will elaborate on how Vatican Council II contradicts tradition ( dogma on salvation and Syllabus of Errors)  not knowing that it is they who contradict tradition by using a false premise which originated with the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing.

The website states “… The debate on the Council remains essential:

Lionel: The debate will be held with the false premise.The conclusion is obvious.

 it is necessary to examine the documents in greater depth, to bring to light the errors that have infiltrated them,

Lionel: Of course there will be errors. Since the wrong premise is used throughout. It is assumes that the dead saved are known to us and are exceptions to the dogma on salvation and the Syllabus. For the SSPX speakers LG 16 contradicts the dogma.

 and their direct consequences on the liturgical reform, the de-Christianization of society and the death of the missionary spirit.

Lionel: This is a direct consequence of the wrong premise used.This false premise was also used against Fr.Leonard Feeney.SSPX  websites criticize Fr.Leonard Feeney since they are not aware of the false premise they are using .The baptism of desire etc is supposed to be known to them and so it contradicts Fr.Leonard Feeney's interpretation of the dogma.

 Only the rejection of the Council’s errors

Lionel: The error has to be identified by the SSPX. It is also being used by the SSPX in the interpretation of the Council.
Without the error, the Council is traditional and in accord with the SSPX values on other religions etc.It's so simple but after so many years of discussion the SSPX could perhaps not believe that it could be true. Change the premise and everything changes. It is as easy as that.

and a return to the traditional teaching will unleash the supernatural forces of the Church to regenerate souls and society as a whole. This year our Conference wishes to make its contribution to that cause, and we invite you to participate in it.”

Lionel: I have sent numerous e-mails to the Italian District of the SSPX over the years but no one will answer.

Questions for the SSPX speakers:
1. Do we know in the year 2012 any one saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, seeds of the word (AG 7), imperfect communion with the Church ?

2. If we do not know any of these cases in 2012 can they be considered exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors? 
-Lionel Andrades

According to their website:

This conference is an opportunity to hear the following talks (in Italian):

Alessandro Fiore: “The tree is judged by its fruits – The Consequences of the Council”


Don Pierpaolo Petrucci, Superior of the SSPX District of Italy: “The Second Vatican Council and the Salvation of Souls—The Death of the Missionary Spirit”


Presentation of the book by Bp. Bernard Tissier de Mallerais: “The Strange Theology of Benedictc XVI – Hermeneutic of Continuity or Rupture?”


Alessandro Gnocchi: “From the language of revolution to the revolution of language – What new things the Vatican says and what it no longer says”


Don Mauro Tranquillo: “The Denial of Roman Tradition – New Rites for a New Church?”


Matteo D’Amico: “ ‘The Sacred Council exhorts the whole world to forget the past’ – Nostra Aetate and the New Theology of the Relation between the Catholic Church and Judaism”