Wednesday, May 23, 2012

It was Hans Kung who originally said after Vatican Council II that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus so there is no infallibility of the pope

It was Fr. Hans Kung who originally said that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus so there is no infallibility of the pope. Since the dogma says every one needs to convert and Vatican Council II says otherwise.Now we know that we do not know anyone saved in invincible ignoracne etc. So LG 16 is not at exception to the dogma or AG 7. AG 7 says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. ALL includes Jews.So Vatican Council II is in agreement with the SSPX position on ecumenism and other religions and does not any more agree with Kung and liberals interpretation with their known to us cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.

CARDINAL KURT KOCH AND FR.HANS KUNG
Fr.Hans Kung with his latest press statement and Cardinal Kurt Koch must realize that the Bible, Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says all need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.

Cardinal Koch, the President of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity and relations with the Jews, Vatican stated (May 16, 2012, Angelicum University,Rome) :


While Catholics profess that, in the end, all salvation will be accomplished through Jesus Christ, “it does not necessarily follow that the Jews are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the son of God,” the cardinal said. “That the Jews are participants in God’s salvation is theologically unquestionable, but how that can be possible without confessing Christ explicitly is and remains an unfathomable divine mystery.” (1)
The cardinal is actually telling the Catholic News Service 'Catholics profess that, in the end, all salvation will be accomplished through Jesus Christ....’ He does not say that Jews need to convert in the present time but that at some future time unknown to him they will be saved through Jesus Christ. Note they will be saved by Jesus Christ in their religion and will not have to convert even then too.

The SSPX is expected to maintain this un Biblical teaching (John 3:5, Mk.6:16) contrary to Vatican Council II (AG 7) and other magisterial documents (Dominus Iesus 20 etc) just like Fr.Hans Kung.

Cardinal Koch added “it does not necessarily follow that the Jews are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the son of God,”. This completely ignores Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II says all Jews need to convert for salvation (AG 7) but the cardinal cannot mention this.More important even the SSPX will not be able to mention it if they want to remain in the Catholic Church.

The cardinal even believes that Jews can be saved in general in the present time without entering the Church and believing in Jesus. He throws away also the teachings of St.Thomas Aquinas besides Vatican Council II.

The Catholic Church’s relationship to Judaism as taught by the Second Vatican Council and the interpretations and developments of that teaching by subsequent popes, “are binding on a Catholic,” said the Vatican official responsible for relations with the Jews. He means it is binding on a Catholic to accept the interpretation of Vatican Council II approved by Israel and liberal rabbis and not a Vatican Council II as a continuation of Tradition.

“All the doctrinal decisions of the church are binding on a Catholic, including the Second Vatican Council and all its texts,” Cardinal Koch said when asked if the SSPX would be expected to accept all the teachings of Vatican II. “The ‘Nostra Aetate’ declaration of the Second Vatican Council is a clear decree and is important for every Catholic,” he added.

The Cardinal does not mention Ad Gentes 7 which indicates that Jews need to convert for salvation.Neither does he mention Nostra Aetate 4 which says the Church is the new people of God. Catholics are the Chosen People of God now. Even Hans Kung missed this point.

Nostra Aetate does not state that Jews do not need to convert or the Jews are saved in general in their religions, or that Judaism is the ordinary means of salavtion or that we know cases in the present times of Jews saved. Yet this is all irrelevant and SSPX will be expected to follow the liberal interpretation with no supportive texts from the Council including Nostra Aetate.This is the problem with Kung, at the end of his career he has no supportive texts from Vatican Council II for his theory on other religions and ecumenism. All these years he could fake it and bluff everyone who assumed that invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire were exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney. If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumed that the baptism of desire was an exception, then they made a mistake.It would be a mistake of the Magisterium. But the Letter mentions the dogma and the text of the dogma does not many exceptions.So the Letter supported Fr.Feeney and not Fr. Hans Kung on doctrine.The Letter and the dogma was saying all Jews in Boston and the rest of the world need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.

Cardinal Koch said on May 16 according CNS 'The church’s theological reflection on its Jewish roots, as well as on the relationship between God’s covenant with the Jewish people and the new covenant instituted by Christ have been developed further and authoritatively by Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, he said.In other words Jesus has made a New Covenant but Jews can be saved in general in their religion with the old covenant. He is saying that a defined dogma has 'developed'.He is also including the name of Pope John Paul II who gave us Dominus Iesus. Dominus Iesus 20 says Jesus died for all and for all to receive this salvation they need to enter the Church.

The cardinal said, “The Catholic Church neither conducts nor supports any specific institutional mission work directed toward the Jews,” but that does not exclude Christians bearing witness to their faith “in an unassuming and humble manner.” Even though Jesus said 'Go out and preach the Good News.. those who do not believe will be condemned', the Vatican Council for Christian policy is  that the SSPX cannot go out and preach the Good News in public.-Lionel Andrades


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Catholics must accept Vatican II, including on Judaism, cardinal says
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1202023.htm

Vatican Council II states all Jews and other non Catholics need to convert for salvation and so the comments were pulled down. The comments were contrary to the political propaganda at the University by the rabbi

Rorate Caeli does not provide promised report of Cardinal Kurt Koch's talk and statement to the Press on May 16 at the Angelicum.
Comments on the Catholic News Service report were removed after a few hours and readers were told there would be another report of the Cardinal's statement and questions and answers. Rorate Caeli said ‘The complete text of the lecture, delivered in English, and of its Q&A follow-up session are not available at the moment’. They are still not available.However the CNS report is available on the Catholic News Service website.Rorate Caeli mentions Jack Bemporad, a Reform Judaism rabbi, is the president of the "Interreligious Dialogue" Center at the Angelicum University and he also had some words to say regarding the decisions of Pope Benedict XVI.
For the record: What did Koch say? [Updated]
Cardinal Koch, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and of the Commission of the Holy See for Religious Relations with the Jews, was the speaker of this year's John Paul II Annual Lecture, promoted by the John Paul II Center for Interreligious Dialogue, a "partnership between the Russell Berrie Foundation and the Pontifical University of St Thomas Aquinas (Angelicum)" and itself located in the Angelicum. The Angelicum was, of course, the great Thomist center in Rome, also dedicated these days to "training in the specialties of ecumenism and interreligious dialogue, developed according to the principles set out by the Second Vatican Council and the official Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity"... The complete text of the lecture, delivered in English, and of its Q&A follow-up session are not available at the moment, but SIR, the news agency of the Italian episcopate, made a summary of the conference available, a link we post here for the record of events. [Tip: Le Forum Catholique]
Note, the Angelicum these days are "training in the specialties of ecumenism and interreligious dialogue, developed according to the principles set out by the Second Vatican Council and the official Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity"...
Vatican Council II states all Jews and other non Catholics need to convert for salvation and this was uncomfortable information and so the comments were pulled down. The comments were contrary to the political propaganda at the University of St.Thomas Aquinas by the rabbi .
The comments mentioned that we do not know any case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience  and so Lumen Gentium 16 did not contradict Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There could have been cries of anti Semitism and so New Catholic caved at Rorate Caeli.This is not what is being taught by the American rabbi to Catholic seminarians.
The comments mentioned that the SSPX position on ecumenism and other religions is in agreement with Vatican Council II. Don't even try to imagine the reaction at the Angelicum.They could not dialogue. They could just threathen and get comments removed.

'Principles and Norms on Ecumenism of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity'.!
Cardinal Koch President of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity and the Jews told us the norms etc of his Vatican office in the CNS report of the May 16 talk. The cardinal indicated that Jews do not have to convert in the present time and so  the SSPX would have to accept this first class heresy to get canonical status.this would be  acceptable to the Jewish Left.
There is no magisterial document which says the Church has retracted the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation. The rabbis do not like this to be mentioned on the internet.Vatican Council II says outside the church there is no salvation (AG 7) and it is in full agreement with the SSPX position on ecumenism and Judaism.There are no known exceptions on earth.-Lionel Andrades
Koch’s SSPX must accept Jews do not have to convert to receive canonical status talk reported by Catholic News Service downplayed on Rorate Caeli

LIBERAL RABBI’S APPOINTMENT AT THE ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY ROME COULD CONTRIBUTE TO ANTI SEMITISM

It’s not that the Jewish Left really cares about anti-Semitism. However the appointment of a rabbi at the Angelicum as a professor and the director of an inter religious office could lead to anti Semitism against innocent rank and file Jews. He is appointed,it could be assumed by Catholics, because of Israel’s military and political threats to the Vatican.So Catholics have to accept the presence of an unbeliever opposed to Catholic doctrine.

Due to the clout of the Jewish Left he even gets a salary at the Angelicum, the Dominican University of St.Thomas Aquinas and can teach the Zionist ideology to Catholic seminarians. This could be the cause of resentment.

Also it is known that there are Zionist anti-Semitism laws in Italy which protect the rabbi and Jews, and which target Christians. The anti Semitism laws placed by the ADL, as Pastor Ted Pike points out, are so vague that the rabbi cannot be removed. If they tried there  would be cries of “Anti-Semitism!”.They could file criminal cases against the Pontifical Universities and the Vatican.
Not only can the rabbi object to core teachings of the Catholic Faith at the Angelicum but he can even object to them appearing as comments on Rorate Caeli, for example.
Liberal rabbis and Jewish Left lay persons, socialists and communists, who also teach at the Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome hold the same political ideology of the ADL.Conservative rabbis in the USA and Israel have said that the ADL is a source of anti Semitism for Jews in general.
 
The rabbi on May 16 at the Angelicum called a Catholic bishop ‘crazy’. This is contrary to their own liberal interfaith hype. It’s also not professional. It’s as if someone caught him by the cuff and asked him to work at the Angelicum. Its part of the Jewish Left outreach; mission to Catholics.-Lionel Andrades

Jewish convert says Catholics have a tabernacle, altar and priesthood in the New Covenant, similar to the Old Covenant

Rosalind Moss' Unexpected Journey : Jewish convert longs to 'bring hemlines to the floor and habits to the world.
Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/rosalind-moss-unexpected-journey#ixzz1vgTl4UhY

I’ve said many times that the most Jewish thing a Jew can do is to become Catholic. This is true not just in a general sense, but in a most detailed sense as well. There is nothing Catholic that is not rooted in the Old Testament. Our Catholic faith did not spring up out of nowhere, but out of the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

I met a group of Messianic Jews who taught me that all the sacrificial lambs in the Old Testament, while not able to remove sin, were types of the one Lamb of God to come, who indeed was able to remove sin. After going through the Old Testament, I was shown only one verse from the New Testament — and that one verse shattered my world. It was John 1:29, in which John the Baptist announces Jesus Christ in these words: “Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!” I knew then that Jesus was the Messiah I had been looking for.

As a Protestant, I had come to believe the fact that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob — the God whom no one could look on and live — entered time and history and became man.

Upon my entrance into the Catholic Church I was able to appreciate a second incredible condescension of almighty God — that of the Blessed Sacrament, or the Passover fulfilled. God become man remains with us to this day under the appearance of bread.

Yes, Our Lady of Guadalupe seemed to move in with us, and we are most grateful. I didn’t choose Our Lady of Guadalupe specifically as our patroness, but it seems that she chose us. We are grateful for her presence, especially in our parish in Tulsa, which has a large Hispanic population.

I delight in telling people that Our Lady of Guadalupe is Jewish. There is only one Mother of the Messiah, who appears all over the world “in different outfits.” She is indeed a mother to us and to all who will call upon her.


What thrills me most, apart from being signs to God in the world and the freedom people have in approaching us, is the sense they have that they “own” us, so to speak. That is, they believe that they have free access to us, that we exist for them, that they have a right to expect us to pray for them, to help them, to be God’s arms to them in their need. It is a beautiful expectation on their part, and, to my mind, that is as it should be.

I’ve said many times that the most Jewish thing a Jew can do is to become Catholic. This is true not just in a general sense, but in a most detailed sense as well. There is nothing Catholic that is not rooted in the Old Testament. Our Catholic faith did not spring up out of nowhere, but out of the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

This is true liturgically speaking, as we have a tabernacle, altar and priesthood in the New Covenant, similar to the Old Covenant.
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/rosalind-moss-unexpected-journey

The website for Sister Rosalind Moss. http://www.motherofisraelshope.org/

-from the National Catholic Register and The Eponymous Flower

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