Monday, May 21, 2012

SSPX NOT CHECKMATED. THEY HAVE A TRUMP CARD AND A SECURE DOCTRINAL DEFENSE

There is a blog of Fra.Angelo (AirMaria) which says the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) have been checkmated, they have no other option. They have to accept Vatican Council II (liberal version) or face the consequences.On this blog Fra.Angelo of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, has a post ‘SSPX on the brink’.

Fra.Angelo has formed his thinking, like so many Catholics, through the secular (anti Catholic) media.The SSPX are not checkmated yet. They have a secure defence, a trump card. The ace is in their hand.They can put down the winning card when they want to.They fought well for Catholic doctrine.Now it is this very doctrine which comes to their aid.

If they stay with doctrine firmly it must come to a point when their opponent is checkmated and says “To Hell with doctrine. You just say and do what we tell you”. Presently those who oppose the SSPX are still pretending that Vatican Council II and Catholic doctrine matters and that it supports them. Catholics like Fra.Angelo have fallen for the ruse.

If the SSPX accepts this false Israel-approved version of Vatican Council II they have lost.They are checkmated and Fra.Angelo would be correct.They will also have disowned Jesus.

The SSPX bishops alone can decide when and how they will play their trump card.They could accept Vatican Council II and later explain their interpretation, for example in Bishop Fellay’s case; once things have settled down he can explain his interpretation of Vatican Council II.

Or they could announce their version of Vatican Council II and let everybody else respond, in favour or against, in panic or calm.The three other bishops could use this approach. They could ask, ‘ Are you all saying that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are known to us in the present time? Please clarify this for us’.

If Lumen Gentium 16 (LG 16) on invincible ignorance and a good conscience does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 (AG 7) and if AG 7 does not contradict itself, then we can accept a Vatican Council II, a different one, but which is in agreement with the SSPX traditional position on ecumenism,Judaism and other religions.

This is the trump card.

No one in any camp knows who is saved in Heaven (invincible ignorance, seeds of the Word, baptism of desire etc). So Vatican Council II (AG 7) really says Jews and other non Catholics need to convert for salvation and there are no known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II.No one in the SSPX should have a problem with this interpretation.They can affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with Vatican Council II (AG 7) with no known exceptions.

With invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire understood to be irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,and Vatican Council II (AG 7) ), Catholic traditionalists are united- SSPX members and supporters of Fr. Leonard Feeney.

I would not be surprised if Bishop Bernard Fellay accepts Vatican Council II and after a month clarifies this point.

So the SSPX is not checkmated. They have the option of accepting Vatican Council II (AG 7) alongwith their present position on ecumenism and other religions.

This would not be the Vatican Council of the rabbi at the Angelicum University, Rome to whom Catholic seminarians are exposed like a wolf among the sheep.Neither would it be the Vatican Council of Cardinal Kurt Koch and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J who assume that those saved in Heaven( in invincible ignorance etc) are known to us. The cardinals,and the rabbi, cannot also cite any supporting reference text from Vatican Council II.
 
It's still the SSPX move. In Chess one can also go into an attack mode while defending. They call it the Sicilian gambit.
-Lionel Andrades

Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7

Quesito ha commented on the blog Chiesa e Post Comcilio

He asks, 'Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 ? '

True.

Example A.
‘Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.’

‘All must be converted’. This includes Buddhists, Jews, Muslims…

Example B
7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12).

God ‘wishes all men to be saved ‘ does not contradict Example A which says all need to enter the Church with faith and baptism.

Example C
‘Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.’

We do not know who know about the Catholic Church founded by God through Christ and who do not enter and who have now not received salvation.Only God knows these cases.

Example C is not in contrast with Example A. All need to enter the Church for salvation and we do not know any exceptions.

Example D
' Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)'

Only God alone know who are ignorant of the Gospel… and can be saved. We do not know them.

So Example D does not contradict Example A. Every one needs to enter the Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.

‘yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.’

Certainly since all people with Original Sin, which is like a mortal sin on their soul, are oriented towards Hell and we do not know a single exception on earth. Man was born good in the Garden of Eden but Adam sinned. So in general we are all oriented to Hell and  if there are any exceptions, and it is possible there can be such cases, they could be saved in the manner known only to God.

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus is a dogma and it is in accord with Vatican Council II.-
Lionel Andrades


7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

Nostra Aetate non è in contrasto con Ad Gentes n.7

Quesito ha detto... ( sul blog Chiesa e Concilio )
Nostra Aetate non è in contrasto con Ad Gentes, n.7?

Vero!

Esempio: A

'È dunque necessario che tutti si convertano al Cristo conosciuto attraverso la predicazione della Chiesa, ed a lui e alla Chiesa, suo corpo, siano incorporati attraverso il battesimo (39). Cristo stesso infatti, « ribadendo espressamente la necessità della fede e del battesimo (cfr. Mc 16,16; Gv 3,5), ha confermato simultaneamente la necessità della Chiesa, nella quale gli uomini entrano, per così dire, attraverso la porta del battesimo.'

Tutti si convertano includono tutti i buddisti, ebrei, musulmani…

Esempio B

'7. La ragione dell'attività missionaria discende dalla volontà di Dio, il quale « vuole che tutti gli uomini siano salvi e giungano alla conoscenza della verità. Vi è, infatti, un solo Dio, ed un solo mediatore tra Dio e gli uomini, Gesù Cristo, uomo anche lui, che ha dato se stesso in riscatto per tutti» (1 Tm 2,4-6), «e non esiste in nessuna altra salvezza» (At 4,12).'

‘Dio vuole che tutti gli uomini siano salvi’ e non e in contrasto con Esempio A che dire tutti bisogna entrare la Chiesa con fede e del battesimo.

Esempio C

'Per questo non possono salvarsi quegli uomini i quali, pur sapendo che la Chiesa cattolica è stata stabilita da Dio per mezzo di Gesù Cristo come istituzione necessaria, tuttavia rifiutano o di entrare o di rimanere in essa »'

Noi non conosciamo chi ha sapendo che la Chiesa cattolica stabilita da Dio per mezzo di Gesù Cristo e non entrare a adesso non ricevuto salvezza. Solo Dio conosce questi casi.

Esempio C non e in contrario a Esempio A. Tutti bisogna entrare la Chiesa per salvezza and noi non conosciamo eccezione.

Esempio D

'Benché quindi Dio, attraverso vie che lui solo conosce, possa portare gli uomini che senza loro colpa ignorano il Vangelo a quella fede « senza la quale è impossibile piacergli»

Solo Dio conosce qui e senza loro colpa ignorano il Vangelo a quella fede. Noi conosciamo.

Esempio D non in contrario a Esempio A. Tutti bisogna entrare la Chiesa per andare in cielo e evitate l’inferno.

' è tuttavia compito imprescindibile della Chiesa, ed insieme suo sacrosanto diritto, diffondere il Vangelo; di conseguenza l'attività missionaria conserva in pieno - oggi come sempre - la sua validità e necessità.'

Certamente tutta la gente con il peccato originale, che è come un peccato mortale sulla loro anima, sono orientati verso l’ inferno e noi non conoscono una singola eccezione sulla terra. L'uomo era nato buono nel Giardino dell Eden ma Adamo Adam ha commesso un peccato. Così generalmente tutti siamo orientati verso inferno e se ci sono delle eccezion, ed è possibile può essere tali casi, potrebbe essere salvatti nel modo conosciuto soltanto al Dio. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus, la dogma, e in accorda con il Concilio Vaticano II (Ad Gentes 7).-Lionel Andrades


7. La ragione dell'attività missionaria discende dalla volontà di Dio, il quale « vuole che tutti gli uomini siano salvi e giungano alla conoscenza della verità. Vi è infatti un solo Dio, ed un solo mediatore tra Dio e gli uomini, Gesù Cristo, uomo anche lui, che ha dato se stesso in riscatto per tutti» (1 Tm 2,4-6), «e non esiste in nessun altro salvezza» (At 4,12). È dunque necessario che tutti si convertano al Cristo conosciuto attraverso la predicazione della Chiesa, ed a lui e alla Chiesa, suo corpo, siano incorporati attraverso il battesimo (39). Cristo stesso infatti, « ribadendo espressamente la necessità della fede e del battesimo (cfr. Mc 16,16; Gv 3,5), ha confermato simultaneamente la necessità della Chiesa, nella quale gli uomini entrano, per così dire, attraverso la porta del battesimo. Per questo non possono salvarsi quegli uomini i quali, pur sapendo che la Chiesa cattolica è stata stabilita da Dio per mezzo di Gesù Cristo come istituzione necessaria, tuttavia rifiutano o di entrare o di rimanere in essa » (40). Benché quindi Dio, attraverso vie che lui solo conosce, possa portare gli uomini che senza loro colpa ignorano il Vangelo a quella fede « senza la quale è impossibile piacergli» (41), è tuttavia compito imprescindibile della Chiesa (42), ed insieme suo sacrosanto diritto, diffondere il Vangelo; di conseguenza l'attività missionaria conserva in pieno - oggi come sempre - la sua validità e necessità. -Ad Gentes 7, Concilio Vaticano II.