Tuesday, May 8, 2012

No one from the Diocese of Worcester,USA will answer if they know any one saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance

No one from the Diocese of Worcester,USA will answer if they know any one saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance


I have been sending these blog posts to the department heads including the Secretary of the bishop in the diocese of Worcester. No one will answer the basic question : Do they know anyone saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance ?
-Lionel Andrades
Monday, April 30, 2012
So is this not an 'irregular' situation for the bishop, priests, religious and catechists in the diocese of Worcester ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/so-is-this-not-irregular-situation-for.html#links


Salvation Outside the Church? Tracing the History of the Catholic Response, by Rev. Francis A. Sullivan, S.J ignores AG 7 being in accord with the literal interpretation of the dogma and Fr.Leonard Feeney.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/salvation-outside-church-tracing.html#links

CARDINAL PELL DENIES VATICAN COUNCIL II (AG 7) AND DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IN DEBATE WITH RICHARD DAWKINS ACCORDING TO REPORTS


This is the second time Dawkins tells a Catholic in a debate that the Church teaches outside the church no salvation and it is denied by the Catholic.

Atheists can be saved as a possibility known only to God. We do not know any of these cases on earth.
There are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or to Ad Gentes 7(AG 7), Vatican Council II.

AG 7 does not contradict Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance etc) since we do not know who is saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience.

We do not know anyone in 2012 who can die with Original Sin and go to Heaven.

If Cardinal Ottaviani said that the baptism of desire is an exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr. Leonard Feeney he made a factual mistake.(Letter of the Holy Office 1949). We do not know anyone saved with the baptism of desire for it to be an explicit exception to the dogma outside the church no salvation. They call this an empirical mistake. An error of observation.The baptism of desire is irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma.

Dawkins could have set up the cardinal from Sydney Australia by building upon the Genesis story being a myth and then asking about Original Sin. Also what Dawkins does not know, and perhaps also the cardinal, is that there is no church-teaching which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades


http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2012-0415-mjm-dawkins-pell.htm
http://www.latinmassnetwork.net/2012/04/dawkins-catches-cardinal-pell.html#comments

If following Jesus is anti Semitic, or if Jesus himself is considered anti Semitic, then so am I

If you look at the religious books of the Jews and Muslims you can clearly see that they are people of the Old Testament. These Old Testament people teach an eye for an eye… Jesus tells us that we do not have to live this way. Catholics, the original Christians, are the people of the New Testament, the new people of God (Nostra Aetate 4, Vatican Council II), the Chosen People. The Catholic Church is the continuation and replacement of the Jewish religion.

The Bible, Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus teach us that outside the church there is no salvation and all people on earth with no exception need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to avoid Hell-fires (for salvation).(John 3:5,Mk.16:16, As Gentes 7, Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).

Since all people need to enter the Church to avoid Hell it is necessary that all social and political institutions be obedient to the Holy Father and create laws and rules according to the Gospel as interpreted by the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls the Mystical Body of Christ. This is the Church we can see today, being hated by the world, especially the secular left, political and social instituitions that follow Satan with the promotion of abortion, euthanasia... They demand restrictions on the Catholic Church’s mission, proclamation and moral teachings.

The Jewish Left media also falsely claim that Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy and that those saved with the baptism of desire are known to us on earth and so they are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Social Kingship of Christ the King over all.

Fr. Leonard Feeney and his community were personally persecuted. Fr. Leonard Feeney and Fr. Denis Fahey are considered anti Semitic for their traditional Catholic beliefs.

More recently Lt. Cmdr. John Sharpe, a Catholic publisher affirmed the Social Kingship of Christ the King over secular institutions and was targeted as anti Semitic by the Jewish Left (SPLC etc). This was a prominent case. Other Catholics in the U.S Armed forces have also been targeted for their Catholic religious view. This is the dictatorship of the liberal left.

In Italy they are represented by Rabbis Segni, Lara and others.

Anti Semitism, thought control laws, are placed on all in the West.
Blasphemy of Mohammad,thought control laws are placed on Christians and other non Muslims, in the East. They also apply to Qadianis (Mirzaites) who do not accept Muhammad as the last prophet but accept the other teachings of Muhammad. They are not allowed to proclaim Islamic beliefs (kalima) in public.Many  Qadianis are in jail.
Both the people of the Old Testament are fighting for political domination throught the world.

The Jewish Left are expected to take over Google and the rest of the Internet. These are the new fascists. The Catholic Church faces them and the followers of Muhammad. Persecutions will come from the people of the Old Testament-either way.

If to affirm, the Kingship of Jesus Christ over all social and political institutions is anti Semitic according to the Jewish Left anti Semitism laws then I am an anti Semite.

If it is Anti Semitism to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II then I am an anti Semite since this is my Catholic Faith. Judaism and Mohammadism are not paths to salvation according to the Catholic Church. (Ad Gentes 7, Dominus Iesus 20 etc).

If following Jesus is anti Semitic, or if Jesus himself is considered anti Semitic, then so am I. I love Jews, Muslims and other non Catholics for Jesus and do not consider myself anti Jewish or Muslim. However if politically I am accused of anti Semitism because of my Catholic Faith; in particular the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the Catholic Church teachings on the Social Kingship of Christ the King, then I plead guilty. This would be the leftist political definition of anti Semitism.
-Lionel Andrades
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Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:

o “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

o “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

o “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation


Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.- Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II

Note :Lumen Gentium 16 does not contradict AG 7 since we do not know any exceptions mentioned in LG 16. We accept them as possibilities but donot claim that they are explicit exceptions to the dogma or AG 7.

Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.- Lumen Gentium 16