Monday, March 21, 2016

Fr.Z approves of adultery in inter faith marriages



ASK FATHER: My Catholic son is marrying a Lutheran. Can a priest bless the marriage? 
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2016/03/ask-father-my-catholic-son-is-marrying-a-lutheran-can-a-priest-bless-the-marriage/
Fr.John Zuhlsdorf writes:
Even more, the Church knows that children’s faith is best secured when both parents share that faith.
That said, the Church recognizes that human heart and affections are difficult to regulate.
Understanding that there are circumstances where a Catholic might desire to marry someone of another faith, and respecting the autonomy of the individual, the Church can grant permission for a Catholic to marry a baptized non-Catholic, or even a dispensation for a Catholic to marry an unbaptized person.
Lionel: This is possible with the new theology which is based on known salvation outside the Church. Fr.Z has always affirmed the new theology. For him there is known salvation outside the Church.This includes being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire which are exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), for him.He has to look after his career and blog.
According to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, not interpreted with the new theology, this couple will be living in adultery.They will be committing  a mortal sin.Since the Lutheran is outside the Church and on the way to Hell ( Cantate Dominio, Council of Forence 1441).
Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism. The Lutheran does not have Catholic Faith.
However Pope Benedict in the recent interview to Avvenire confirmed that this dogma has been developed. It was developed to the point of being discarded. It is discarded for all who are associated with the Pontifical International Theological Commission, the CDF and Ecclesia Dei. Fr.Z too must have once been considered a liberal to have  been allowed to work at Ecclesia Dei.
So a Catholic is permitted to marry even a non Catholic and it is not adultery for Fr. Z since he  believes there is known salvation outside the Church.He is a liberal  on this issue.
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 In both cases, before the permission or dispensation is granted, some assurances are required: the Catholic party needs to be advised of the seriousness of this exception, he has to state that he is intending to continue to practice his Catholic faith, and he has to state that he will do all within his power to ensure that the children born to the marriage will be brought up in the faith.
Lionel: But he will live with his Lutheran wife who is outside the Church and is on the way to Hell.This is adultery.
Ah! The compromises one has to make to remain a priest in good standing with the Church!
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 In addition, the non-Catholic party must be advised that the Catholic party has made these promises. Then, if the bishop is convinced that this marriage will not be a danger to the faith of the Catholic party, then he may give his permission, or grant a dispensation.
Lionel: Dispensations are given routinely since the bishops do not believe in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus any more.Neither do Pope Benedict and Pope Francis. No cardinal or bishop contradicted Pope Benedict's recent interview to Avvenire, on the development of the dogma.Even the SSPX  believes there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS . They are all following the new theology, liberals, conservatives and traditionalists.
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The bishop has the further authority, should he deems it reasonable to do so, to grant a dispensation from canonical form, that is, permission for the Catholic to be married by a non-Catholic minister.
Lionel: And it would still be considered a Sacrament!!
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If that dispensation is given, then the wedding should follow whatever format the non-Catholic minister uses. It’s not good to “mix” rituals and have a Catholic priest do part and a (in this case) Lutheran minister do part. Particularly egregious (and actually invalid) are situations where the Lutheran minister receives the vow of the Lutheran party and the Catholic priest receives the vows of the Catholic party. There must be only one minister officiating.
Lionel: No mention of extra ecclesiam nulla salus or Vatican Council II being interpreted in harmony with this dogma on exclusive salvation.The Ratzinger-Rahner new theology has been approved by Fr.Z.-Lionel Andrades

You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology. Try it and see.

You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology.Try it and see.The new theology is based on known salvation outside the Church.It's foundation is assuming hypothetical cases are objective on earth.It is based on being able to physically see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.It assumes cases of the baptism of desire are known and visible not only to God-but also to man!.It assumes there are known cases of people saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water.It is upon all this irrationality that the new theology was supported by the theologians Rahner and Ratzinger.
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We can simply avoid it. Do the opposite.
Say LG 16 is hypothetical and objective.This is the new  perspective.
LG 16 is known only to God.
It is invisible and not visible.
This is obvious.It is being rational.
So there are no invisible cases which are exceptions to EENS.
We cannot meet someone saved or about to be saved in invincible ignorance who is invisible.
Nor can we meet someone saved or about to be saved with 'seeds of the Word(AG 11) or 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8) - all without the baptism of water.
So we are back to the old theology, the old ecclesiology since there are no explicit, visible in the flesh exceptions to EENS mentioned in Vatican Council II.
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Vatican Council II has changed because the theology has changed. The theology has changed because our perspective changed it.
With the old theology Vatican Council II is saying Jews and Muslims need to convert into the Church for salvation.It is in keeping with John 3:5 and Mark 16:16.
It is saying 'all' Christians need to be members of the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism'.Those Christians who are baptised with water need to follow the traditional faith and moral teachings of the Church, receive the Sacraments and interpret the Gospel according to the traditional teachings.
'All' need 'faith and baptism' says Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II. EENS says the same thing.
The SSPX can now accept this Vatican Council II.Rome can come back to the Faith by seeing the Council with this new perspective.The Jewish Left  however will not permit Cardinal Koch and the two popes, to accept Vatican Council II interpreted with this theology ; the old theology(Feeneyism).
 This should not stop us lay people.
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Try this exercise.Make one small change in concept.Change one small premise. Then watch how Catholic teachings ( since after the Council of Trent) seem to change in general.Church teachings ( with the use of an irrational inference) will change in doctrine, education, theology, ecclesiology(understanding of Church), salvation, mission, ecumenism, inter religious dialogue...
It goes like this.It is too simple and too obvious.
I can see the trees outside my room but I cannot see people in Heaven.I can see the cupboard in my room but I cannot see people in Heaven saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire, seeds of the Word etc.
I can see what is concrete but I cannot physically see what is abstract. I can see what is visible but I cannot see what is invisible.
I mention all this, which is obvious, since the new theology is abstract and based on being able to see the invisible.
Now observe this. Try this.
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Education:
The contemporary Church teaches being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism  of desire, are visible for us human beings in 2016.So, every one does not need to convert into the Church. Or conversely, every one does not need to formally convert into the Church as it was taught in the past, since now we know that BOD and I.I are visible to us in real life, without the baptism of water. We can objectively see these cases in Heaven or on earth.
Change the concept with rationality:
BOD  and I.I is not visible for me. This is something obvious.
So BOD and I.I are not relevant to EENS. They are not exceptions since they are invisible.This was the old theology.
So Catholic school children in Religion class should be taught that there are no exceptions to the dogma EENS.
Interreligious Dialogue.
According to the new theology there is salvation outside the Church. BOD and I.I refer to visible cases. They are objective exceptions to EENS.
Change the concept with rationality:
BOD and I.I are not visible to us.
There are no known exceptions to EENS. All non Catholics need to formall convert into the Church with the baptism of water and Catholic faith.There cannot be any exception for us human beings.
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Ecumenism:
Vatican Council II(UR 3) suggests a Christian can be saved outside the Catholic Church. So there is salvation outside the Church. These cases are visible.They are objectively known.We can personally meet someone  who has been saved as such or will be saved in future outside the Church.These cases are visible.They are objectively known.We can personally meet someone who has been saved as such or will be saved in future outside the Church.
Concept-change:
There is no known case of a Christian saved in his religion.We do not know of any Christian saved outside the Catholic Church, who was not a member of the Church.We cannot predict that a particular Christian will die without mortal sin outside the Church.There is no visible and known exception to EENS in 2016.EENS says all heretics (Protestants) and schismatics(Orthodox Christians) need to enter the Church to avoid the fires of Hell. Jesus says the same in the Diary of St. Faustina Kowalska.He says the same thing in The Poem of the Man-God by Maria Valtorta.
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Liturgy.
The ecclesiology of the Mass is no more exclusivist as the Traditional Latin Mass as the Middle Ages.
Concept-change:
There can be no visible exception to the dogma EENS in March 2016.So there is no change in ecclesiology.There is no known salvation outside the Church.The ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo Mass does not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.
All need to be formal members of the Catholic Church for salvation, as was taught by the 16th missionaries.
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Nicene Creed:
Concept change: I do not know of anyone saved with BOD or I.I  so there are no three known baptisms,but one.It is the baptism of water.


Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 Concept change: There is no known salvation outside the Church. So there are no known exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS.


Pope Benedict XVI's 'development of doctrine'
Concept change:
There is no known salvation outside the Church.There are no visible cases of people saved  according to LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc.
So Vatican Council II does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS according to the 16th century missionaries.There can be no development of doctrine based on Vatican Council II.

Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate:
Concept change.
They can offer the Traditional Latin Mass since in Vatican Council II there are no visible exceptions mentioned, to the old ecclesiology.They can continue to reject Vatican Council II interpreted with the new theology, which assumes LG 16 refers to visible cases.
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Catechism of the Catholic Church
CCC 846
Concept change:
We do not of any one in 2016 saved through Jesus and the Church and who does not need to be a formal member of the Catholic Church.
CCC1257
Concept change:
We do not know of any one who is saved because 'God is not limited to the Sacraments' i.e we do not know of any one saved without the Sacraments.So this is not an exception to EENS. It is also not an exception to CCC 1257 when it states ' the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water'.
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Have you noticed that with a small change in concept, Church doctrine and theology becomes traditional and exclusivist.Vatican Council II, ecumenism,mission,inter religious dialogue etc become exclusivist , 'rigorist' and rational.
Catholic religious education is non liberal. The Nicene Creed is not changed.The dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church is not rejected.
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By saying invisible concepts are not physically visible we no longer have the new theology.
-Lionel Andrades








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The central point of what I want to say

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/the-central-point-of-what-i-want-to-say.html


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There was an official change in doctrine and dogma in 1949 and it has been expressed officially in Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 8, NA 2, UR 3,etc)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/there-was-official-change-in-doctrine.html



Chris Ferrara still misses the point : reasons irrationally like Pope Benedict

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/chris-ferrara-still-misses-point.html




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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/mistakes-in-vatican-council-ii-all.html




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The mistakes in Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/the-mistakes-in-vatican-council-ii.html


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Can the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate interpret Lumen Gentium 16 as invisible and hypothetical and not objective, seen in the flesh I keep asking ? :Pope Benedict's theology a rip off

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/can-sspx-and-franciscans-of-immaculate.html




Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI: The Catholic Church Is Absolutely Necessary for Salvation

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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/cdf-can-see-writing-on-wallthousands-of.html




Pope Benedict uses irrational Cushingism as a theology to interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus : he was unaware of the choice

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/pope-benedict-uses-irrational.html


Pope Francis, Pope Benedict and Cardinal Muller use an irrational theology to interpret Vatican Council II and so reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/pope-francis-pope-benedict-and-cardinal.html


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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/cmtv-on-outside-church-there-is-no.html


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I interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus like Fr.Michael Muller and Fr. Leonard Feeney since physically I cannot see, know or meet any exception to the dogma
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/i-interpret-extra-ecclesiam-nulla-salus.html


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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/vatican-council-ii-can-be-interpreted.html



The FIUV has been of no help to the Fischer More College and the Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/the-fiuv-has-been-of-no-help-to-fischer.html




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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/fiuv-representing-ancient-liturgy-could.html



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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/traditionalist-theology-being-controlled.html





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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/no-denial-from-archbishop-pozzo.html


Abp.Guido Pozzo does not deny it : Ecclesia Dei/CDF use an irrationality and heresy to interpret Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/abpguido-pozzo-does-not-deny-ecclesia.html



Bishop Williamson is correct. Rome must come back to the Faith before there can be an agreement

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/bishop-williamson-is-correct-rome-must.html




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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/sspx-ask-vatican-to-apologise-for.html

Archbishop Pozzo must not change the teachings of the Church to please his superiors http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/archbishop-pozzo-must-not-change.html


Abp. Guido Pozzo wants the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II with heresy

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/abppozzo-wants-sspx-to-accept-vatican.html




The Level 4 error is there in Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 of Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/the-level-4-error-is-there-in-ad-gentes.html


General Congregation meeting at the Second Vatican Council. File photo courtesy Catholic News Service.

LG 14 was a Level 4 error in Vatican Council II


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/lg-14-was-level-4-error-in-vatican.html



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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/cdf-notification-on-dupuis-repeats.html







All Catholics can do the same : interpret magisterial documents with Feeneyism


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/all-catholics-can-do-same-interpret.html



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