Friday, September 2, 2016

Cardinal Burke, Cardinal Sarah and the FSSP priests offer Holy Mass ad orientem and assume LG 16 refers to visible cases in 2016. This is irrational. It's inference and conclusion is non traditional.It creates the hermeneutic of rupture with the past





For me the issue is how do they interpret Vatican Council II, with Feeneyism ( there are no visible, personally known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2016) or with Cushingism ( there are objectively known exceptions to the dogma EENS in 2016 so every one does not need to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation from Hell).

One can choose the Feeneyite theology, which is the traditional theology of the saints and popes, and also attend the Novus Ordo Mass.This is what I do.


At any Holy Mass a  Catholic can choose to interpret Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS with Feeneyism or Cushingism.Lumen Gentium 16 refers to someone visible or invisible.

This is irrespective if Mass is being offered ad orientem.
Cardinal Burke, Cardinal Sarah and the FSSP priests offers Holy Mass ad orientem and assume LG 16 refers to visible cases in 2016. This is irrational. It's inference and conclusion is non traditional.It creates the hermeneutic of rupture with the past. Since it negates extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Feeneyite) and the Syllabus or Errors. 
This is heresy accepted by the contemporary magisterium.
The SSPX has to accept Vatican Council II ( LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2) as referring to visible cases in 2016 to receive canonical status like that of the FSSP priests.
Canonical petitions should be filed to clarify this issue.
Cardinal Burke, Cardinal Sarah and FSSP priests are offering Mass with a falsehood which re-interprets magisterial documents as being non traditional and a break with dogmatic teachings of the Catholic Church.

Meanwhile a  Feeneyite, being a traditionalist on Catholic doctrine, who does not use this irrationality is persecuted by priests and bishops.
-Lionel Andrades


Why are they given canonical status when they reject Feeneyism which is rational, traditional and without the new theology based on being able to see what is invisible
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/why-are-they-given-canonical-status.html





TERMS EXPLAINED

Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reaoning which says there are no  known exceptions past or present, to the dogma EENS.There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.

Cushingism:  It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning, which assumes  there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.

Baptism of  Desire (Feeneyite): It refers to the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is an invisible case in our reality it is not relevant to the dogma EENS.

Baptism of  Desire (Cushingite): It refers to the known case of a catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is a visible case or the SSPX it is relevant to the dogma EENS.

Invincible Ignorance ( Feeneyite): This refers to the hypothetical case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.

Invincible Ignorance (Cushingite): This refers to the explicit case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.Since it is an exception to the dogma EENS it is assumed to be objectively known in particular cases.This reasoning is irrational.

Council of Florence.One of the three Councils which defined the dogma EENS.It did not mention any exceptions.It did not mention the baptism of desire. It was Feeneyite.

Liberal theologians:They reinterpreted the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as objective cases, known in the present times.

Vatican Council II (Cushingite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Cushingism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer not to hypothetical but known cases in the present times. So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the dogma EENS.

Vatican Council II (Feeneyite):It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases, which are unknown personally in the present times.So Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, the Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite-one baptism),the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and  the non separation of Church and State( since all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell).

Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It assumed hypothetical cases were defacto known in the present times. So it presented the baptism of desire etc as an explicit exception, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.It censured Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.Since they did not assume that the baptism of desire referred to a visible instead of invisible case.The Letter made the baptism of desire etc relevant to EENs.From the second part of this Letter has emerged the New Theology.

Letter of the Holy Office 1949 ( Feeneyite). It means accepting the Letter as Feeneyite based on the first part .It supports Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.The traditional interpretatiion of the dogma EENS does not mention any exceptions.
Letter of the Holy Office ( Cushingite). It is based on the second part of the Letter.It rejects the traditional interpretation of EENS. Since it considers the baptism of desire ( Cushingite-explicit) and being saved in invincible ignorance ( Cushingite-explicit cases) as being exceptions to EENS ( Feeneyite).It worngly assumes hypothetical cases are objectively visible and so they are exceptions to the first part of the Letter.

Baltimore Catechism. It assumed that the desire for the baptism of an unknown catechumen, who dies before receiving it and was saved, was a baptism like the baptism of water. So it was placed in the Baptism Section of the catechism. In other words it was wrongly assumed that the baptism of desire is visible and repeatable like the baptism of water or that we can administer it like the baptism of water.
(The Baltimore Catechism is accepted with the confusion)
Catechism of Pope X. It followed the Baltimore Catechism and placed the baptism of desire in the Baptism Section.
Nicene Creed ( Cushingite) It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' and means there are more than three known baptisms. They are water, blood, desire, seeds of the Word etc.

Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite). It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and means there is one known baptism the baptism of water.

New Theology: It refers to the new theology in the Catholic Church based on hypothetical cases being objective in the present times.So it eliminates the dogma EENS.With the dogma EENS made obsolete the ecclesiology of the Church changes. There is a new ecclesiology which is a break with Tradition.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Cushingite) .It refers to the dogma but with exceptions.All do not need to defacto convert into the Church in the present times, since there are exceptions.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Feeneyite).It  refers to the dogma as it was interpreted over the centuries.There are no known exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, with faith and baptism, to avoid Hell.

Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite).CCC 1257 contradicts the Principle of Non Contraduction. Also CCC 848 is based on the new theology and so is a rupture with the dogma EENS( Feeneyite).

Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite).CCC 1257 does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction since there are no known exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. There are no known exceptions, since God is not limited to the Sacraments.
When CCC 846 states all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church,CCC 846 does not contradict the dogmatic teaching on all needin to formally enter the Church. CCC 846 does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which states all need faith and baptism for salvation.

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Why are they given canonical status when they reject Feeneyism which is rational, traditional and without the new theology based on being able to see what is invisible.







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For Cardinal Raymond Burke Lumen Gentium 16 refers to a person/people saved in invincible ignorance without the baptism of water and so LG 16 is an explicit, 'seen' exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So he rejects Feeneyism and supports the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

For me LG 16 refers to an invisible case.It is something not seen. So LG 16 is not an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite). The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake.
So for Cardinal Burke all Muslims and Jews do not need to formally enter the Church in 2016 since there are known exceptions; seen exceptions.This is irrational.
For me Vatican Council II(AG 7,LG 14) says all need faith and baptism for salvation; all need to enter the Church in 2016 and there cannot be any known exception,since exceptions cannot be seen.
Cardinal Raymond Burke like the FSSP priests are negating the traditional teaching on mission based on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and yet are allowed to be incardinated, are granted canonical status and not considered canonically heretical.With an irrationality they have re-interpreted Vatican Council II, the Nicene Creed, the dogma EENS, the Catechism of the Catholic Church etc.
I do not do so and they cannot correct me or point out where I am wrong.Since I am rational and traditional and they are not.
Why are they given canonical status when they reject Feeneyism which is rational, traditional and without the new theology based on being able to see what is invisible.-Lionel Andrades


SEPTEMBER 2, 2016

Some things can be seen or not seen, agreed ?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/some-things-can-be-seen-or-not-seen.html

Some things can be seen or not seen, agreed ?



Can the FSSP priests in Dallas and Detroit see someone saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire with or without the baptism of water in 2016?
No!
Can they know of any exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
No!
Can they say that when the saints referred to the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance they meant visible cases ?
No!
Could any one in the past have seen someone go to Heaven with the baptism of desire or blood and without the baptism of water?
No!
No one could physically see any such case.
So how can the FSSP priests change the Nicene Creed to mean 'I believe in three or more baptisms without the baptism of water.They are desire, blood,invincible ignorance...'?
How can they assume that LG 16 in Vatican Council II refers to a known case and so it is an exception to EENS( Feeneyite)?
The FSSP priests are proclaiming a falsehood to maintain their careers and not be suspended for supporting Feeneyism, which has been the theology of the Catholic Church for centuries.They are politically correct and so they are given canonical status.
-Lionel Andrades




 SEPTEMBER 2, 2016



I assume the priests in Dallas, Detroit and the rest of the USA are following the heretical and modernist theology to create new doctrines and a new non traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II.In this way they are not suspended.Michael Voris remains political correct in Detroit. So also Ralph Martin http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/assume-priests-in-dallas-detroit-and.html


God's Mercy offers salvation for all, in potential salvation is available for all however to receive this salvation all need to enter the Catholic Church ( Dominus Iesus 20 ), all need to have faith and baptism ( Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II). Those who choose to enter the Catholic Church formally have availed of God's Divine Mercy. Those who do not will be damned( Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846,1257)

Holy Cannoli6 hours ago
You must have missed my post to you yesterday.


You wrote:
One can choose the Feeneyite theology, which is the traditional theology of the saints and popes, and also attend the Novus Ordo Mass.This is what I do.

Perhaps you could enlighten me, Cushy?
Lionel:
Sure
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 Can you briefly, systemetically and concisely answer the following question? Is there absolutely no salvation outside of the visible Catholic Church?
Lionel:
Yes since the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says so. It is based on John 3:5 and Mark 16:16 etc.
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 If true, can you demonstrate how some peasant and his family living in upper Mongolia or Yemen or Somalia or Afghanistan who lived hundreds of years ago, who never heard the name of Jesus the Christ even mentioned, would have no possibility of salvation and be damned for all eternity?
Lionel:
Sure.
Can you first name me the peasant and tell me who is he ,where he lives with a few details? In this way it will be a concrete case.
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 Show how these individuals must be damned and justify your conclusion in light of the Divine Mercy of God?
Lionel:
In general they will be damned without faith and baptism at the time of death.Presently they are not damned as long as they live.There is still hope.
God's Mercy offers salvation for all, in potential salvation is available for all however to receive this salvation all need to enter the Catholic Church ( Dominus Iesus 20), all need to have faith and baptism ( Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II). Those who choose to enter the Catholic Church formally have availed of God's Divine Mercy.
Those who do not will be damned( Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846,1257).
All Jews,Orthodox Christians, Protestants and other non Catholics are oriented to the fires of Hell unless they do not enter the Catholic Church before death( Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441,Vatican Council II AG7, LG 14, Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257, Dominius Iesus 20,CDF Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis S.J etc)-Lionel Andrades



 
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I assume the priests in Dallas, Detroit and the rest of the USA are following the heretical and modernist theology to create new doctrines and a new non traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II.In this way they are not suspended.Michael Voris remains political correct in Detroit. So also Ralph Martin.

Now I am told that there are some upholders of this position at the FSSP church in the Dallas area, Mater Dei. Ironically the FSSPX clergy are more willing to "crack down" on "Feeneyism," possibly because it was condemned during the "good old days." This does not seem to be a "traditionalist" issue per se. The group in New Hampshire attended the Pauline Mass at a local parish under they formally reconciled with the bishop of Manchester and were granted permission to erect their own facility.


New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Texas. Are there followers of this idea where you lived my dear English readers? How about ye Portuguese? And readers in Spain? Americans are of course also invited to respond! Do please say something about the circumstances (social background, the rite of Mass used, and anything else that might be useful in aiding our understanding).
Lionel : 
Now I am told that there are some upholders of this position at the FSSP church in the Dallas area, Mater Dei.  
For me the issue is how do they interpret Vatican Council II, with Feeneyism ( there are no visible, personally known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2016) or with Cushingism ( there are objectively known exceptions to the dogma EENS in 2016 so every one does not need to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation from Hell).In general the SSPX, FFSP and sedevacantists are Cushingite.This is acceptable to the Jewish Left and the Vatican.
Possibly Mater Dei priests also interpret the Nicene Creed, the dogma EENS, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the  Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with the Cushing irrationality.This creates a heretical conclusion approved by the contemporary magisterium.
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Ironically the FSSPX clergy are more willing to "crack down" on "Feeneyism," possibly because it was condemned during the "good old days." This does not seem to be a "traditionalist" issue per se 
It is a traditionalist issue.The communities at the St. Benedict Centre are traditionalists on the dogma EENS.
Like the other traditionalists( FSSP, SSPX etc) however, they sadly interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism.
One can choose the Feeneyite theology, which is the traditional theology of the saints and popes, and also attend the Novus Ordo Mass.This is what I do.
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The group in New Hampshire attended the Pauline Mass at a local parish under(sic) they formally reconciled with the bishop of Manchester and were granted permission to erect their own facility.
They are Feeneyite on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus but like the other traditionalists they are Cushingite on other magisterial documents.
A Catholic can choose to interpret Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS with Feeneyism or Cushingism.
Cushingism is irrational, non traditional, an innovation and heresy.
A Cushingite should not be incardinated or granted canonical status since the Cushing inference creates a first class heresy.It involves changing the meaning of the Nicene Creed with a strange inference.Since this heresy is approved by the political Left it is the acceptable heresy in the Catholic Church.
A Feeneyite, being a traditionalist on Catholic doctrine, would of course be persecuted.
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New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Texas. Are there followers of this idea where you lived my dear English readers? How about ye Portuguese? And readers in Spain? Americans are of course also invited to respond! Do please say something about the circumstances (social background, the rite of Mass used, and anything else that might be useful in aiding our understanding).
The Traditional Latin Mass was offered over the centuries with the theology of Feeneyism.It  was the only theology in the Catholic Church.There was no New Theology before the Council of Trent.
The Americans brought the heresy of Cushingism into the Catholic Church.First  Cardinal Gibbons called the desire for the baptism of water of a hypothetical catechuman, a baptism.He considered it a baptism  like the baptism of water.Then Cardinal Richard Cushing rejected the dogma EENS.He assumed hypothetical cases of the baptism of water are visible and personally known.So hypothetical cases were no more hypothetical. They became explicit exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma  by Fr. Leonard Feeney.This is fantasy theology. How can we know of someone saved with the baptism of water in Heaven who is an exception on earth to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS? This is called testing ones intelligence.How could Cardinal Gibbons know of a baptism of desire case in Heaven which was the same as the baptism of water ?
I assume the priests in Dallas, Detroit and the rest of the USA are following the heretical  and modernist theology to create new doctrines.Compared to me they have a  new non traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II.In this way they are not suspended.Michael Voris remains political correct in Detroit. So also Ralph Martin.
-Lionel Andrades




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