Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Michael Voris affirms rigorist interpretation of dogma outside the church no salvation: says there is no “anonymous Catholic”

When Michael Voris on Real Catholic TV refers to outside the church there is no salvation he means, outside the church no salvation as interpreted by the Church Councils, the popes, the saints and Fr.Leonard Feeney. Since the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience are explicit only in Heaven

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 endorsed the rigorist interpretation of the dogma when it directly referred to the ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible’ statement. (1)

Michael Voris also on Real Catholic TV.com proclaims the dogma outside the church there is no salvation (2) and  says on another video that there is no anonymous Catholic.

There is no anonymous Christian no known case of a Catholic saved ‘anonymously’. If there was an anonymous Catholic in the present times it would be known only to God. So it could not be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which he endorses in its rigorist interpretation. There can only be the rigorist interpretation! We can never know cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire, with a good conscience or the seeds of the Word, with elements of sanctification or in imperfect communion.

All the Catechisms of the Catholic Church including the present one (3) have affirmed the rigorist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus as  did  the Vatican Councils (4).

We accept the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance as possibilities. We accept in principle that a non Catholic can be saved with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance. De facto (explicitly, in reality) we do not know any such case.

Fr. Karl Rahner S.J’s theory of the ‘anonymous Christian’ is irrelevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since we do not know any single case of a person saved as an anonymous Christian it does not contradict Vatican Council II which affirms the rigorist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It states  all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (to avoid Hell) ( Ad Gentes 7,Lumen Gentium 14).

No pope or Councils has stated that the baptism of desire etc is an exception to the dogma or that we know explicit cases. So Michael Voris on Real Catholic TV is affirming the teaching of the Magisterium before and after Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades


1.

IF THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 CONSIDERED THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS A DEFACTO EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA IT WOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE ERROR: WE DON’T KNOW ANY SUCH CASE

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/if-letter-of-holy-office-1949.html


2.
http://youtu.be/gaCbMcn46Wc , http://youtu.be/vp8zQhQE1iM  http://youtu.be/gaCbMcn46Wc
http://youtu.be/GCf8C1Xcpds http://youtu.be/EhZK6U0papc


3.
ALL THE CATECHISMS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAVE TAUGHT THE RIGORIST VIEW OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/all-catechisms-of-catholic-church-have.html

4.
The Vatican Councils of the Catholic Church have clearly taught that formal membership in the Catholic Church IS absolutely necessary for salvation
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/vatican-councils-of-catholic-
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No pope has said that those saved in invincible ignorance are known to us and so are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/no-pope-has-said-that-those-saved-in.html

Being saved in invincible ignorance is not a defacto exception to the teaching of Cantate Domino Council of Florence
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/being-saved-in-invincible-ignorance-is.html



This is the Church established by Jesus Christ and outside of it there is no salvation (1:35)





And please don’t start going on about those silly notions of there being unconscious Catholics and anonymous Catholics all over the world (3:18 )