Monday, August 26, 2013

Opus Dei priest agrees all in 2013 need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation and there are no known exceptions

Opus Dei priest agrees all in 2013 need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation and there are no known exceptions.
 Pontificia Università della Santa Croce - Rome, Italy
An Opus Dei priest, at their university in Rome, today evening agreed that every one in 2013 needs to enter the Church  for salvation (to avoid Hell and go to Heaven) and there are no known exceptions.
 
 Father Pedro Luis de Huidobro, the chaplain of the University of the Sacred Cross(Santa Croce), Rome agreed there could be persons who have not had the Gospel preached to them and who are in invincible ignorance. These persons can be saved and we do not know any such case in 2013.
 
I was speaking briefly with him at the university chapel and said I had two questions for him  and his answer would be posted on my blog Eucharist and Mission. I had put these two questions to Sister Patrizia FMM  at the Church of San Salvatore in Lauro nearby, who had recommended that I ask at the university.
 
There is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,I  mentioned to Fr.Pedro Luis de Huidobro(1) which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation. So there are no known exceptions to the dogma in 2013?
 
Vatican Council II (AG 7) agrees with the dogma, I said, when it states all need 'faith and baptism ' for salvation. So all need Catholic faith and the baptism of water in 2013 for salvation and there are no known exceptions.
 
Also the Catechism of the Catholic Church(846) on outside the Church there is no salvation states  all need to enter the church' as through a door'.It cites Ad Gentes 7.
 He agreed with me.
 
He said all need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation in the present times (2013) and there are no known exceptions.Invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and neither to Ad Gentes 7.
 
This is the literal and traditional interpretation of the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus  which Pope Pius XII called an 'infallible statement'. It  is not contradicted by any magisterial document including the much reported  Letter of the Holy Office 1949 of Pope Pius XII.
 
 If Pope Pius XII assumed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance  were known exceptions to the dogma on salvation, he would have made a factual mistake.He would also be contradicting the text of the 'infallible statement', the Syllabus of Errors, Mystici Corporis, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church besides other Church-documents.
The Letter of the Holy Office faults Fr.Leonard Feeney for discipline, He was excommunicated for disobedience and not heresy. The Church lifted the excommunication without him having to recant his literal and traditional  interpretation on exclusive salvation.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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huidobro@pusc.it  - +39 0668164341
 
 
 
 

Fr.Leonard Feeney's communities using Cushingism?

There is a comment on an earlier post (1) on the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary following true doctrine. Yes they are when they interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus without any exception of the baptism of desire etc.

However even though they reject the baptism of desire etc theologically, unless it is followed with the baptism of water, their concept of the baptism of desire is according to Cushingism. They assume that these cases are explicit for us.Oh no!!?

Similarly they assume that all salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc ) are also explicit and so contradict the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

The following is a comment from the other blog post.

One can interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism or Feeneyism. Which of the two do you think the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are using ?

Cushingism emerges with the interpretation of the baptism of desire etc.
Do the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney interpret the baptism of desire as being explicit for us or implicit for us ?

Similarly do they believe that being saved in invincible ignorance followed by the baptism of water is explicit for us or implicit for us?

Do they assume that LG 16 (invincible ignorance ) is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
-Lionel Andrades

(1)
You are either a Feeneyite or a Cushingite.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/08/you-are-either-feeneyite-or-cushingite.html#links