No one is disputing the Seven Points among the following religious communities in the diocese - The Order of St. Benedict (O.S.B), St.Benedict's Abbey, the Order of Friars Minor - Franciscan Friars (O.F.M), The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (F.S.S.P.), Redemptorist Fathers (C.Ss.R.)and among Women Religious, the Discalced Carmelites (O.C.D.), Sisters of the Presentation of Mary (p.m.) and the Dominican Sisters of Hope (O.P).
They would now know that the Council can be interpreted without the false premise and there is no more a theological basis for the New Theology, New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology and New Evangelisation.
This rational interpretation of Vatican Council II would be the norm in the diocese. So the Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions, upon the St.Benedict Center, NH, for holding the traditional strict interpretation of EENS, needs to be ended. EENS according to the St.Benedict Center, New Hampshire, has no practical exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II, for the religious communities in Manchester. -Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 10, 2021
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Diocese of Manchester, interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Feeneyite EENS. Since the false premise causes the rupture.It is not the Council per se : Their Decree would also apply to other religious communities in New Hampshire after they answer Seven Questions
The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate and the Brazilian community Joseleitos di Cristo, both have been based in the Diocese of Porta Santa Rufina, Rome.The bishop is Gino Reali.
These two religious communities with whom I have communicated in writing, would agree with the following seven points. None of the two have raised objections even though they project themselves as being liberal.
They would know how to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. It's the only rational choice. It would be the same for the Men and Women Religious Communities in the Diocese of Manchester, USA.
The answer to these seven questions show that Vatican Council II ( without the false premise) can be interpreted in harmony with the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The Council and the Catechism of the Catholic Church do not contradict the St. Benedict Center interpretation of EENS.
Presently the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Diocese of Manchester, interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Feeneyite EENS. Since the false premise causes the rupture.It is not the Council per se.
So the Decree of Precepts Prohibitions is today meaningless.Since the prohibitions, could also be placed on the other religious communities in New Hampshire,after they answer the seven questions. The Decree could also be applied to The Order of St. Benedict (O.S.B), St.Benedict's Abbey, the Order of Friars Minor - Franciscan Friars (O.F.M), The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (F.S.S.P.), Redemptorist Fathers (C.Ss.R.)and among Women Religious, the Discalced Carmelites (O.C.D.), Sisters of the Presentation of Mary (p.m.) and the Dominican Sisters of Hope (O.P).
Their interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus would be the same as that of the St. Benedict Center, NH.
SEVEN POINTS
1. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II always refer to hypothetical, speculative and theoretical cases.So they are not practical exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. There is no objective rupture with the Athanasius Creed which says all need Catholic faith for salvation.
2. They agree that Jesus died for all, salvation is open for all in potential but to receive this salvation all need to enter the Church, with faith and baptism(AG 7). The Church is necessary ( Dominus Iesus 20, CDF, Notification on Fr.Jacques Dupuis sj 2000 etc).
3. They interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, just like me. LG 14, LG 16 etc are only hypothetical. They are not objective cases in 2021.
4. The baptism of desire(BDD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance (I.I) refer to only hypothetical cases. If any one has received salvation with BOD, BOB and I.I only God can know.
5.The Church teaches in Vatican Council II( without the false premise) that everyone who dies in 2021, without faith and baptism, are oriented to Hell in general, in principle.
6. It is a lie and deception when someone uses the false premise to interpret the Nicene Creed, Vatican Council II. Catechisms, the dogma EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I.
7. Catholics need to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally. There is a rational option.-Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 9, 2021
Seven questions which Bishop Peter Libasci , Diane Quinlin, the Chancellor and the Rev. Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar could answer and affirm. Their interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS would be the same as that of the St. Benedict Center, NH.So they can end the prohibitions placed upon the religious community
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/seven-questions-which-bishop-peter.html
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-congregation-for-doctrine-of-faith.html
FEBRUARY 9, 2021
Seven questions which Bishop Peter Libasci , Diane Quinlin, the Chancellor and the Rev. Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar could answer and affirm. Their interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS woud be the same as that of the St. Benedict Center, NH.So they can end the prohibitions placed upon the religious community
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/seven-questions-which-bishop-peter.html
FEBRUARY 9, 2021
The Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions placed upon the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire for affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), with no known exceptions, could also be placed upon the other religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, men and women, if they did not unethically use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and create fake exceptions for EENS
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-decree-of-precepts-and-prohibitions.html
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FEBRUARY 12, 2021
Fr.Georges de Laire, the Judicial Vicar, Diocese of Manchester and Simcha Fischer and her husband are not telling the media that Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise supports the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), and all the religious communities in New Hampshire ( Franciscans, Carmelities etc) can affirm it. It is not an error of the St. Benedict Center, NH
Fr.Georges de Laire, the Judicial Vicar, Diocese of Manchester and Simcha Fischer and her husband are not telling the media that Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise supports the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), and all the religious communities in New Hampshire ( Franciscans, Carmelities etc) can affirm it. It is not an error of the St. Benedict Center, NH. -Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/frgeorges-de-laire-judicial-vicar.html
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FEBRUARY 11, 2021
Bishop Peter Libasci and his Judicial Vicar and Chancellor, do not deny that they use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and also the Creeds and Catechisms
Bishop Peter Libasci and his Judicial Vicar and Chancellor, do not deny that they use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and also the Creeds and Catechisms.
So canonically the St. Benedict Center members need to press on until an apology or clarification is issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) and the Diocese of Manchester.
Also all the priests of the diocese are promoting the fake interpretation of Vatican Council II, EENS, the Catechisms and Creeds at Holy Mass in Latin and English.
The ecclesiology of the Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass is not ecclesiocentric and neither is the Catechesis based on their being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. - Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/bishop-peter-libasci-and-his-judicial.html
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Canonically SBC can ask why other religious communities in Manchester are granted canonical recognition when they are open to interpreting Vatican Council II rationally and in harmony with SBC EENS
The 14 members of the St.Benedict Center who reportedly placed canonical petitions with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) can now ask why are the other religious communities in the diocese granted canonical recognition when they interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with a fake premise.They have no restrictions and prohibitions placed upon them.When they answer the Seven Points they interpret EENS and Vatican Council II rationally traditionally and without deception.
They can ask why are the other religious communities granted canonical recognition when they agree with the Seven Points and can interpret Vatican Council II rationally.So they do not contradict EENS. Similarly the SBC can also interpret Vatican Council II rationally which does not contradict traditional EENS.-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/canonically-sbc-can-ask-why-other.html
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FEBRUARY 11, 2021
Benedictines, Franciscans, Carmelites and Dominicans in Manchester, are in harmony with the strict interpretation of EENS, of the St. Benedict Center, NH
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/benedictines-franciscans-carmelites-and.html
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FEBRUARY 11, 2021
For Fr. Georges de Laire outside the Church there is salvation and there are not only Catholics in Heaven.For Brother Andre Marie MICM,outside the Church there is no salvation and so there are only Catholics in Heaven. He too cannot see people in Heaven but he is following the dogma EENS which is the norm for salvation for us Catholic
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/fr-georges-de-lairejudicial-vicar-of.html
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