Wednesday, September 10, 2014

Two Conferences and an irrational premise.

 The  Catholic Identity Conference and the Call to Holiness Conference will take  place on the same weekend (September 12-14, 2014) and the difference between the two is doctrine- specifically on Church teachings regarding other religions.

The Catholic Identity Conference will hold the traditional teachings on Jews,Muslims and Christians communities.They will interpret Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents with an irrational premise.The speakers will reject Vatican Council II because of it being a break with the infallible teachings of the Church.They will not be aware of the use of the premise.
They will use the same irrational premise in the interpretation of the Letter of the Holy Office  and they will accept this Letter.This is even though the Letter is a break with the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The Call to Holiness Conference will use the same irrationality and accept Vatican Council II(with the premise) and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
-Lionel Andrades
 CTH Single Sheet1-b

Catholic Identity Conference 2014 flyer
 


Two Catholic Conferences : Both interpret Vatican Council II with an irrational premise.One accepts the Council the other rejects it.

Muller-Fellay Meeting: Cardinal Muller will not accept Vatican Council II without the irrational premise and he wants the SSPX, FFI to use the false premise with the Council and Catechism ?


Roman College University with a new Rector conducts outreach program for the Jewish Left

Liberal Jewish Left professors along with their liberal Catholic counterparts are holding  day long seminars from Sept.29-Oct.2 (Ascolta la voce di Sara!) at the St. John Lateran University.The brochures of the program have been placed in Catholic churches in Rome. The Roman College with a new Rector, is is assisting in these   outreach programs among Catholics, for the Jewish Left.

It is being called a Day of Study with Jewish and Christian professors.Catholics in the parishes are invited.The Enemy has been brought into the church.
 
It is organised by the Catthedra di Popolo di Dio of the St.John Lateran University.
 
Vatican Council II says ' the Church is the new people of God,' (Nostra Aetate 4)  but for the University profesors Jews are still the people of God. If  Catholic professors  did not say that the Jews are still the people of God, the new Rector would be intimidated.
 
The previous Rector had said, in public, that Pope Francis is opposing the teachings of Pope John Paul II and the previous popes.He is now an ex- rector.
 
Since the Vatican is no match for the political and military power of Israel, Catholics accept whatever  changes in Catholic doctrine and teachings are asked of them- so that there may be peace.
 
The Jewish Left which is pro-Satan, with homosexuality,abortion and other such values which they support ,would not go into  an Islamic center with their propaganda, as they are doing presently in Catholic churches in Rome, with the support of the bishops and the pope.
 
The Catholic churches in Rome have been taken over by the present leftist goernment appointed by the Communist President.There are plaques placed on the  front door of Rome's churches, by the Italian Interior Ministry.This is announced on the website of this Government Department. Also the Italian Government approves a committee of lay people to oversee the church. The government has a majority in these lay committees. So what the parish priest/ Rector says or does, is controlled indirectly by the Government.-Lionel Andrades
 
 

Giornate di studio della Cattedra per la Teologia del Popolo di Dio
Ascolta la voce di Sara! (Gen 21:12)
Il ruolo della donna
Prospettive bibliche – riflessione sulle esperienze nell’ebraismo e nel cristianesimo – e problematiche attuali
“Bisogna lavorare di più per fare una profonda teologia della donna.”
Papa Francesco, intervista a “Civiltà Cattolica”
Intervengono
Sig.ra Maria Jaklitsch (Monaco di Baviera)
Sig.ra Ribi Kalifon (Tzuba, Israele)
Dott.ssa Noa Sophie Kohler (Meitar, Israele)
Dott. George Y. Kohler (Meitar, Israele)
Sig.ra Eva Tyrell (Berna, Svizzera)
Prof. Michael P. Maier (Roma)
Prof. Ludwig Weimer (Monaco di Baviera)
Prof. Achim Buckenmaier (Roma)
 
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Segreteria Organizzativa
Pontificia Università Lateranense
Ufficio Eventi
Piazza San Giovanni in Laterano, 4
00120 Città del Vaticano
Tel 06 69895676 – fax 06 69895697
e-mail: eventi@pul.it
http://www.pul.it/2014/09/ascolta-la-voce-di-sara/
http://www.pul.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/14-08-25-Depliant-ASCOLTA-LA-VOCE-DI-SARA.pdf
 

If the Letter of the Holy Office simply referred to implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance and left it at that it would be fine

Fr.R:
The question is not if there are exceptions in 2014 or not. The question is if the Catechism is wrong or not. Thomas Aquinas said clearly:
“…God, Whose power is not tied to visible sacraments, sanctifies man inwardly”
 
Lionel:
I accept that a person can be sanctified within and this could lead to his choosing salvation.
I can also accept that a non Catholic could have a genuine implicit desire for the baptism of water and hypothethically God Whose power is not tied to visible sacraments can grant him mercy.Yes as a hypothetical probability since it is irrelevant to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation.
So a point I am trying to make here is that I do not reject implicit desire or the ability of God to act outside the Sacraments, God being God.
Fr.R:
The question is not if there are exceptions in 2014 or not..
Lionel:
There are no defacto exceptions. I have to refer to this often since the Catechism says that the baptism of water and being saved in invincible ignorance are substitutes for the baptism of water. This is irrational.This is non traditional and heretical. It is a sin of faith.
Catholics in general say there are exceptions.
 
Fr.R:
The question is if the Catechism is wrong or not. Thomas Aquinas said clearly:
“…God, Whose power is not tied to visible sacraments, sanctifies man inwardly”
Lionel:
The Catechism is dead wrong since St.Thomas Aquinas was referring to a hypothetical case ( and that too being saved with the baptism of water.He says elsewhere God would send a preacher to the ignorant man in the forest). A hypothetical case cannot be a defacto exception to all needing the baptism of water.
This is where the Letter of the Holy Office missed the bus.If they simply referred to implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance and left it at that it would be fine.They instead inferred that these cases were explicit, objective for us humans. Then they concluded that these cases were exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The International Theological Commission in two of its papers have gone to even more ridiculous lengths. They have inferred that these cases are examples of salvation outside the Church. I don't know what they mean by outside the Church. I chuckle to myself. If someone is in Heaven he is in Heaven you cannot refer this as being  outside the Church !!
The Catechism 1257 also considers them as exceptions/defacto substitutes/ replacements for the baptism of water.(CCC 1258-1260)
So CCC 1257 says every body defacto needs the baptism of water for salvation and every does not !-Lionel Andrades
 

Empirically, objectively there cannot be exceptions. This was the mistake made against Fr.Leonard Feeney

Fr.R.
Whether a man can be saved without Baptism?
Thomas Aquinas says… (text attached).
 
Lionel:
Dear Fr.R.
Praised be Jesus and Our Lady.
In the attached document Aquinas says every one needs the baptism of water for salvation.
He does not mention any exceptions.
However assuming, for the sake of a discussion, he did say that, you Fr.R. do not know any such case in 2014. So for you there are no defacto exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in 2014. De facto there can be no exceptions since human beings cannot see the dead- saved.These deceased now in Heaven and not visible on earth cannot be examples of salvation outside the Church.
Empirically, objectively there cannot be exceptions. This was the mistake made against Fr.Leonard Feeney.
In Christ
Lionel
p.s.The following reports are related to your comment.
 
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This is a non traditional ( opposed to Aquinas and Augustine),irrational and heretical ( contradicting the Nicene Creed and the dogma on salvation) statement.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/this-is-non-traditional-opposed-to.html#links
 
September 1, 2014

The error is so obvious but yet the priests with whom I have been discussing this issue will not admit what is obvious.Why ?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/the-error-is-so-obvious-but-yet-priests.html

And if you said that the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II are Feeneyite could you still be a priest in good standing?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/and-if-you-said-that-catechism-of.html

 
August 31, 2014

This is a non traditional ( opposed to Aquinas and Augustine),irrational and heretical ( contradicting the Nicene Creed and the dogma on salvation) statement.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/this-is-non-traditional-opposed-to.html

August 30, 2014

The Catechism and Vatican Council II are Feeneyite if you avoid the false premise

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/the-catechism-and-vatican-council-ii.html

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