Friday, May 4, 2018

Theologically Cardinal Ladaria supports Cardinal Marx : Holy Communion for Protestants



Comment on the blog The Eponymous Flower,Merciful Pope Demands Unanimity at German Bishops' Meeting in Rome -- His Unanimity, No Doubt.


On March 1,2018 Cardinal Luiz Ladaria said at the Placuit Deo Press Conference that Lumen Gentium 8 was an exception to the past exlusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. So this means that there are known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church for him, with elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8). So with the exclusivist ecclesiology put away with this irrational reasoning and not one objecting, there is no more any theological basis for an ecumenism of return.
We have the New Ecumenism based on objective exceptions to EENS and the past ecumenism and this has been accepted by even the traditionalists and conservative Catholics.
So this is in favour of Cardinal Marx.
Since there is known salvation outside the Church for the CDF and the traditionalists so then there can be inter faith marriages and the Eucharist can be given to Protestants and Orthodox Christians.
Cardinal Kasper has said the same. He has said that the old ecclesiology of the Church has been changed and so the divorced and remarried can be given the Eucharist and of course Protestants do not have to convert.
Pope Francis has also said that Protestants are redeemed.
No one has corrected his false theology and said that there are no known cases of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.
Hypothetical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II are not objective exceptions to Feeneyite EENS, The Magisterium has made an objective mistake.
So the old ecclesiology is intact for me and Protestants must not be given the Eucharist at Mass and marriages to Protestants who do not convert into the Church, would still be adultery.
When will someone announce this?
-Lionel Andrades

Probably this appeal too to the SSPX will be in vain.

Diocese Denies SSPX Couple to Become Godparents






A married couple attending mass in the church of the Society of Saint Pius X in New York was denied to be the godparents of their niece in Buffalo diocese.
Lionel: Understandable. Since the SSPX rejects Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, with Cushingite theology and also rejects the conclusion of this false interpretation and do not affirm the rational alternative interpretation which is also traditional.
However the fault with the SSPX is that they do not announce that they endorse Vatican Council II without the false premise, without Cushingite theology and then the conclusion would be traditional.There would be no rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and nor with the past ecclesiology of the Catholic Church upon which was based the Old Ecumenism of Return.
So the onus lies with the SSPX. There have been numerous reports on-line, mentioning and explaining this issue.
________________________________________

According to sspx.org (May 1) the decision was made by Sister Regina Murphy, the interim chancellor of the diocese, and confirmed by auxiliary Bishop Edward Grosz.

Sister Regina wrote that the couple practices its “Catholic faith within a church that is not in union with the Church of Rome and which has rejected the absolute [sic!] authority of the Holy Father and many of the reforms of the Second Vatican Council”.

Lionel: Sister Regina, the Chancellor in the Diocese of Buffalo,N.Y is correct about Vatican Council II. Also the two popes affirm Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition by using the false premise( invisible baptism of desire is a visible exception to EENS, unknown cases of invincible ignorance(LG 16) and elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8) are not hypothetical but known people saved outside the Catholic Church).

There is no correction from the SSPX.
Pope Benedict has said that the SSPX problem is a doctrinal problem.He has also said that EENS is no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century(Avvenire March 2016)  since there was a develpment with Vatican Council II(Cushingite).Again he was using the false premise and there was no correction from the SSPX.He wanted the SSPX to affirm Vatican Council II and EENS with the false premise as he does and considers this doctrinally correct.
The SSPX does not issue a correction.
Then in March 1,2018 Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j at the Press Conference for Placuit Deo openly indicated that unknown cases of being saved with elements of sanctificatioin and truth(LG 8) were known examples of salvation outside the Church. So for him the Church no more teaches that it has the superiority and eclusiveness in salvation. This is irrational and heretical. Yet there was no correction from the SSPX.
The SSPX could have asked the CDF Prefect, "Where are the cases of non Catholics saved in 2017-2018 outside the Catholic Church with elements of sanctification and truth, with or without the baptism of water? Where are the cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church , where the true Church allegedly subsists in (LG 8)?
They SSPX accepted this false theology and new doctrines.They are part of the problem. So no correction was made by them.
So then why complain against Sister Regina and the bishop at Buffalo?
There are so many faithful at the SSPX chapels who have a similar problem since the SSPX does not want to discuss or comment on this issue, due to ignorance or fear....
The responsibilty lies with the SSPX to show the  Vatican that the Council without the irrational premise which they will not use in the future, is not a rupture with Tradition. So they will in future also affirm this interpretation of Vatican Council II and would expect the CDF and the two popes to do the same, to end doctrinal confusion in the Church. In this way Rome would come back to the Faith as Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre wanted.
This would be saying that all Jews in the present times need to convert into the Catholic Church with ' faith and baptism '(AG 7) for salvation.Also LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 ,UR 3, NA 2 etc are not explicit .So they cannot be objective exceptions to the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. This means that the Vatican made a mistake in the last document on the Jews, which suggested that the Jews have their own covenant and so Jews do not have to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.
This is a change in doctrine on salvation theology with the use of a false premise i.e known cases of salvation outside the Catholic Church.Hypothetical possibilities are considered objectives to Tradition(EENS. Syllabus of Errors). This is the false philosophical reasoning of Pope Benedict and Cardinal Ladaria, Cardinal Muller and the bishops at Ecclesia Dei, which has not been called out yet by the SSPX.
The SSPX can still clarify all these doctrinal issues on which their bishops have kept silent.
___________________


The child was finally baptized in a chapel of the Society of Saint Pius X on April 15 with the selected godparents.


The U.S. District of the Society of Saint Pius X has informed the Vatican of this and hopes [probably in vain] for a clarification.
Lionel: The SSPX needs to issue a clarification first affirming the Catholic Faith. There are so many reports on the Internet pointing out the theological and doctrinal error made by the SSPX which is the same as that of the liberals and the present Magisterium and is a rupture with the past popes on EENS.
Probably this appeal to will be in vain.-Lionel Andrades
https://gloria.tv/article/xj8h3rugFH7V1taP7KsRhePgx

Hell - Tragic Ski accidents








Medugorje seers see fire in Hell : so did Sr. Lucia at Fatima, St.Faustina Kowalska, St.John Bosco, St. Veronica Giulliani, St. Teresa of Avila, Dante...

Image result for Description of Hell by Medjugorje visionaries



Image result for Description of Hell by Medjugorje visionaries


Le domande a cui Msgr. Antonio Livi non è stato chiesto nella recente intervista con Gloria TV


La signora che ha intervistato Msgr. Antonio Livi 1 non era a conoscenza della falsa premessa usata nell'interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II dai vescovi liberali inglesi  2 , i due papi e anche Msgr. Livi e se stessa.
Altrimenti queste sono alcune delle domande rilevanti che lei potrebbe aver chiesto a lui. Gli avrei fatto queste domande in un'intervista, se l'avessi incontrato. Ma può darsi che non mi capisca. Per prima cosa dovrebbe essergli spiegata la teologia.
Poi avrei provato a vedere anche se mi avesse capito con queste domande. Le sue risposte a queste domande l'avrei postata come un'intervista.
Image result for Photos  Gloria TV logo
1.Msgr. Livi, sei d'accordo che c'è un ragionamento irrazionale nella Lettera del Sant'Uffizio del 1949 (LOHO) che respinge il tradizionale extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)? E questo ragionamento è responsabile per la falsa teologia dei papi che hai citato nella recente intervista con Gloria TV?


2. Non come i papi e dei santi del passato, mons. Livi consideri il battesimo del desiderio (BOD), il battesimo del sangue (BOB) e il fatto di essere salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile (I.I) come casi fisicamente invisibili ma come i teologi liberali nel 1949 e poi nel 1965, Msgr. Livi interpreterà BOD, BOB e I.I come persone conosciute, esempi fisicamente visibili di salvezza al di fuori della Chiesa.

 3. Msgr. Livi non afferma più la vecchia ecclesiologia esclusivista della Chiesa poiché visibile per lui BOD, BOB e I.I sono delle eccezioni oggettive alla EENS tradizionale mentre non è la stessa per Lionel sul Blog di Lionel, perché? Qual è la differenza?

4. Msgr.Livi interpreta il Concilio Vaticano II come rottura con EENS da quando LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 ecc. si riferisce a persone conosciute, salvate al di fuori della Chiesa cattolica, anche quando non possono esserci persone così conosciute, d'accordo?

5. Questo è anche il ragionamento ufficiale irrazionale tra i liberali per eliminare il Sillabo degli Errori sul Vecchio Ecumenismo del Ritorno, l'Antica Teologia basata sull'invisibile per noi BOD, BOB e I.I, e la Vecchia Ecclesiologia che era esclusivista ed ecclesiocentrica. Questo fu il teologia di Msgr. Livi quando era professore all'Università San Giovanni Laterano a Roma.?

6. Msgr. Livi ha rifiutato dottrinalmente il dogma EENS e così anche in pratica (pastoralmente) agli incontri interreligiosi, alla catechesi per adulti, alle lezioni di Religione a scuola ecc., questa sarebbe stata la sua comprensione del Concilio Vaticano II, una rottura con EENS?

 7. Per Msgr.Livi il Concilio Vaticano II non supporta il Sillabo degli errori sull'ecumenismo, le altre religioni, la salvezza esclusiva nella Chiesa cattolica ecc. Ma sul Blog di Lionel lo fa. Perché la differenza? Entrambi stanno leggendo lo stesso testo del Concilio Vaticano II e le interpretazioni sono diverse?

8.Msgr. Livi interpreta BOD, BOB e I.I (che il senso comune indica sono casi ipotetici) come riferito a persone visibili, salvate fuori dalla Chiesa, nei tempi presenti e quindi in questo modo è come la interpretazione di  p. Hans Kung s.j, p. Karl Rahner s.j, P.Jacques Dupuis s.j e P. Joseph Ratzinger? Per loro e Msgr.Livi  esistono delle eccezioni oggettive al tradizionale extra ecclesiam nulla salus e quindi il dogma definito da tre Concili della Chiesa è respinto dal Concilio Vaticano II? Dovrebbero esserci persone visibili per loro come eccezioni all'EENS? Ma questa non è l'interpretazione di Lionel?

9. Quindi, sulla teologia della salvezza, è chiaro che la dottrina è stata rifiutata e cambiata ufficialmente e questo non viene negato dai cardinali, eppure Msgr. Livi non commenta questo? Dal momento che fa lo stesso errore?-Lionel Andrades

English 

Questions Mons.Livi should have been asked in the interview with Gloria TV

The lady who interviewed Monsgr.Antonio Livi  1was not aware of the false premise being used in the interpretation of Vatican Council II by the liberal English bishops 2, the two popes and also Monsgr. Livi and herself.
Otherwise these are some of the relevant questions she could have asked him. I would have asked him these questions in an interview, if I met him. But may be he  would not understand me .First some background theology would have to be explained to him.
Then I would test to see also if he understood me with these questions.His answers to these questions I would have posted it as an interview.

1.Mons. Livi do you agree that there is an  irrational reasoning in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) which rejects traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) ? And this reasoning is responsible for the false theology of the popes which you mentioned in the recent  interview with Gloria TV  ?


2. So unlike the popes and saints of the past Mons. Livi do you  consider the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as being physically invisible cases . Or instead, like the liberal theologians in 1949 and then 1965 you, Mons. Livi  will interpret BOD, BOB and I.I as being known people, physically visible examples of salvation outside the Church.?

 3. Mons. Livi  no more affirms the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church since visible for him BOD, BOB and I.I are objective exceptions to traditional EENS while it is not the same for Lionel on Lionel's Blog, why ? What is the difference?

4. Mons.Livi interprets Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc refer to known people, saved outside the Catholic  Church, even when there cannot be any such known people, agreed?


5.This is also the official irrational reasoning among liberals  to eliminate the Syllabus of Errors on the Old Ecumenism of Return, the Old Theology based on invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I and the Old Ecclesiology which was exclusivist and ecclesiocentric.This was the theology of Mons. Livi when he was a professor at the St.John Lateran University, Rome.?


6. Mons. Livi doctrinally has rejected the dogma EENS and so also in practise( pastorally) at interfaith meetings, catechesis for adults, Religion classes at school etc, this would be his understanding of Vatican Council II, a rupture with EENS?


 7. For Mons.Livi Vatican Council II does not  support the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism, other religions,exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church etc but on Lionel's Blog it does.Why the difference? Both are reading the same Vatican Council II text and the interpretations are different?


8.Mons. Livi does  interpret  BOD, BOB and I.I (which common sense indicates are hypothetical cases) as referring to visible people, saved outside the Church,  in the present times and so in this way is like Fr. Hans Kung s.j,  Fr. Karl Rahner s.j , Fr.Jacques Dupuis s.j and Fr. Joseph Ratzinger ? This is assumed since for him there are objective exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so the dogma defined by three Church Councils is rejected by Vatican Council II ? There would have to be visible people for them to be exceptions to EENS ? But this is not the interpretation of Lionel ?


9.So on salvation theology it is clear that doctrine has been rejected and changed officially  and this is not being denied by the cardinals and yet Mons. Livi does not comment on this ? Since he makes the same mistake? -Lionel Andrades



1

MAY 3, 2018



Related image

All the popes from John XIII have been promoting a heretical theology at Vatican Council II says Mons. Antonio Livi . He does not say that without a false premise the theology changes and then Vatican Council II automatically has the Old Theology and Old Ecclesiolgy
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/all-popes-from-john-xiii-have-been.html

2.
MAY 3, 2018
On salvation theology it is clear that doctrine has been rejected and changed officially and this is not being denied by the cardinals and yet no one comments on this  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/on-salvation-theology-it-is-clear-that.html







14:35

"Eresia al Potere"

Monsignor …Antonio …Livi Aprile 2018

https://gloria.tv/video/xZKemv4TKceC18ooNg6Yu1MCH








Satan is now officially and openly expressing himself at the Vatican.Second conference supports reincarnation

June 30, 2012

Sr.Ilia Delio and Leadership Conference of Women Religious promote reincarnation



___________________________________________



Satan is now officially and openly expressing himself at the Vatican. During the pontificate of Pope Benedict the Gregorian Pontifical University had a Teilhard di Chardin conference supporting re-incarnation and last week the Vatican sold re-incarnation once again by promoting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Transcedental Meditation(TM).
The TM Movement offers the longer meditation technique(Sidhis) and then  the Purusha/ Mother Divine program which calls for a change in lifestyle, celibacy, living full time at the TM Center, studing the Vedas and affirming re-incarnation.
Teilhard de Chardin says that we humans are evolving toward Perfection over time and this life is just one of many future lives to enjoy. This is the Boddhisatwa teaching in Buddhism. It is also the concept of the Avatars, in Hinduism.They beleive that beings who have perfected themselves come to earth to regenerate humankind.Hindus easily accept Jesus since they believe he is an Avatar.
The Freemasons and the Theosophical Society like a great part of the New Age Movement also support re-incarnation.So we can expect the globalists, and the Illuminati, like Satan, to want the Vatican to also teach these errors too.-Lionel Andrades
 
 
December 31, 2016
Teilhard-Reincarnation theology is being taught at the Gregorian and other pontifical universities
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/teilhard-reincarnation-theology-is.html
 
JANUARY 16, 2013
More Teilhard di Chardin Reincarnation courses are being taught by Catholic priests http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/more-teilhard-di-chardin-reincarnation.html
 








NOVEMBER 15, 2012

FANTASY THEOLOGY : PILTDOWN MAN THEOLOGY AT THE CDF http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/fantasy-theology-piltdown-man-theology.html



May 3, 2018
Related imageKaty Perry greets Pope Francis, Paul VI Hall, Vatican, April 28, 2018
Vatican invites Katy Perry to talk about Transcendental Meditation - One of the mantras in Transcendental Meditation is associated with Satanism.This is confirmed in research on Freemasonry by Fr.Paolo Siano F.I
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/vatican-invites-katy-perry-to-talk.html

May 3, 2018

Priest and Former New Age Enthusiast Warns Catholics Away from Eastern Meditation http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/priest-and-former-new-age-enthusiast.html

April 30, 2018
Developments in England show Magisterium supports Satan
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/developments-in-england-show.html