Wednesday, November 12, 2014

The ecclesiology of Pope Francis and Cardinal Kaspar is based on the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949

Cardinal Kaspar spoke on the “Theological Background of the Ecclesiological and Ecumenical Vision of Pope Francis.” 1
 
The ecclesiology of Pope Francis and Cardinal Kaspar is based on the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 when it was assumed that persons in Heaven were visible on earth to be explicit exceptions to the traditional interpretation of extra eclesiam nulla salus. Pope Francis and Cardinal Kaspar reject the dogma.
Their ecclesiology is also supported by the irrational inference they use in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. Visible-for-us Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to all needing faith and baptism for salvation (Ad Gentes 7). So Vatican Council II becomes a break with the past since there is defacto, known, objectively seen cases of non Catholics, in 2014 ,saved without the baptism of water. Really? Objectively seen deceased persons?
LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 all refer to persons now saved and who are known and seen in 2014 on earth with the naked eye for the pope and Cardinal Kaspar. They would have to be seen to be exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation i.e every one needs to the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation.
Since there is salvation outside the Church for them ( as if they could provide the name and surname of these ghosts visible on earth) Protestants and Orthodox Christians do not have to convert into the Catholic Church. The visible dead theory is the basis for their theology on ecumenism.
This is bad theology. It is based on an irrational premise.
-Lionel Andrades

1.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dont-use-pope-francis-to-push-your-own-agenda-cardinal-kasper-admonishes-op

Vatican II indicates all Muslims and other non Catholics are on the way to Hell since they do not have Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (Ad Gentes 7).

Sr.Noble:
Vatican II holds all the answers.

Lionel:
Yes. It indicates that all Muslims and other non Catholics are on the way to Hell since they do not have Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (Ad Gentes 7).

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
 
All Muslims are on the way to Hell unless they convert into the Church is also the teaching of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, defined three times.
Sr.Noble:
We Worship the Same God: The Vatican II document, Lumen Gentium, makes this clear:
Lionel:
There is one Creator and not two. We worship one Creator but our concept of God is not the same. There is one Creator but Hell also exists.

Sr.Noble:
[T]he plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day. (emphasis mine)
Lionel:
The plan of salvation includes all people. However to receive this salvation they need to enter the Catholic Church (Dominus Iesus 20).
Jesus died for all.However to receive this salvation all need to respond with faith Jesus in the Catholic Church. Outside the Church there is no salvation.

Sr.Noble:
Islam Contains Rays of Truth and Holiness: The Vatican II document, Nostra Aetate, says:

The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions. She has a high regard for the manner of life and conduct, the precepts and doctrines which, although differing in many ways from her own teaching, nevertheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men.
Lionel:
There could be good things in the religion but their religion is a false path to salvation, according to Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14 etc). All need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.
-Lionel Andrades

http://www.pewsitter.com/view_news_id_187851.php



Cardinal Raymond Burke and Fr.Nicholas Gruner affirm the same error as do the liberals

Cardinal Raymond Burke and Fr.Nicholas Gruner do not realize that they are affirming the same error as the liberals when they assume salvation in Heaven is visible on earth. For the baptism of desire to be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,  these cases saved with the baptism of desire would have to be known and visible in the flesh.Since if they were not visible to us they could not be exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation.

They have to exist in our reality to be exceptions.How can they be exceptions when they are in Heaven?
So for Cardinal Burke and Fr.Nicholas Gruner  Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation is contradicted by Lumen Gentium 16 which says a person can be saved in invincible ignorance. Vatican Council II would contradict itself for both of them.
 
Without the premise Ad Gentes 7 would not contradict Lumen Gentium 16. Vatican Council II would not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus.We have found the 'missing link' as to what is the basis of 'the spirit of Vatican Council II'. We can avoid it.
The fault is not with the Council but their inferring that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are visible in the flesh in 2014 to be explicit exceptions to Tradition.
-Lionel Andrades

Cardinal Raymond Burke has still not identified the false premise, the irratonal inference which is the cause of 'the spirit of Vatican Council II'

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/cardinal-raymond-burke-has-still-not.html

Fr.Nicholas Gruner has only to interpret Vatican Council II without the irrational premise and the Council becomes traditional
All the speakers at the Fatima Mini Conference at Chicago this week to use an irrational inference in the interpetation of Vatican Council II
 

Fr.Michael Rodriguez

Fr. Michael RodriguezThis following statement has just been made public by David Rodríguez:
As of yesterday, November 10, 2014, Fr. Michael Rodríguez, is no longer the Administrator of Sacred Heart Mission in Shafter, TX. He has been given a six-month sabbatical in order to discern God’s Will for the future. Fr. Rodríguez remains a priest in good-standing of the Diocese of El Paso. He will most likely be looking at options for priestly ministry beyond the Diocese of El Paso. Fr. Rodríguez has been offering the Traditional Latin Mass exclusively for the past three years, and this has led to increasing difficulties for him with the local hierarchy. Fr. Rodríguez asks for your prayers, and he especially asks you to pray for the small group of faithful (about 50) of the Presidio-Shafter area who are heartbroken over the loss of the Traditional Latin Mass and parish life based on the Traditional Latin Mass.
Admittedly, Fr. Rodríguez is in a very difficult situation. On the one hand, he intends to do his best to be obedient to his bishop. On the other hand, Fr. Rodríguez is convinced that God is calling him – through the Church – to dedicate his priesthood and all his energy and strength to promote the Church’s greatest treasures: her timeless liturgy and doctrine. Both Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI have acknowledged that the Church is suffering through a terrible crisis of Faith in the post-Vatican II era, and Fr. Rodríguez, as a loyal priest and son of the Church, cannot stand idly by in the face of such widespread disparagement and abandonment of the Catholic Faith.
In making any decisions for the future, Fr. Rodríguez is begging God to purify his motives, so that he may act, first and foremost, out of love and fidelity to Jesus Christ and His holy Church, and for the salvation of souls. As a loyal son of Holy Mother Church, Fr. Rodríguez is 100% committed to following, teaching, promoting, and defending her Traditional Mass (holy liturgy) and her unchangeable truths (holy doctrine), e.g. the sacredness of marriage, the indissolubility of marriage, the grave sin and intrinsic evil of homosexual acts.
In closing, Fr. Rodríguez asks that efforts be redoubled to pray for the Holy Father so that he will consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as requested by Our Lady of Fatima. May the reign of Christ the King come through the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of His Mother!
In a few days a number of us will begin a continuous series of nine-day novenas imploring the intercession of Our Lady and the saints on Fr. Rodríguez’s behalf. I will email more information on that in a few days. Moreover, we will pray a 54-Day Rosary Novena on his behalf from Dec 10 – Feb 1, that is between the Marian feasts of the Immaculate Conception and the Purification of Our Lady, (also the feast of Our Lady of Good Success). We invite all to join us in offering these prayers. Thank you very much for your prayers and support.
Ad Iesum per Mariam,
dvr
ps: His sermon from Sunday is now posted at the St. Vincent Ferrer Foundation’s website. “The Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away. Blessed be the Name of the Lord.” You can hear it at: www.svfonline.org