Thursday, November 3, 2011

BISHOP EMERITUS RAYMOND J.BOLAND OF KANSAS CITY CORRESPONDS WITH FR.PETER SCOTT OF THE SSPX ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Bishop Raymond J. Boland, Bishop Emeritus of Kansas City has responded to Rev.Fr. Peter Scott District Superior of the Society of St. Pius X in 2001on the subject of the Church's teaching on  extra ecclesiam nulla.
Bp Boland Letter.qxd www.sspx.org/.../Kansas_City_diocese.pdf 
Bishop Robert Finn is presently the bishop of Kansas City.Bishop Raymond J.Boland wrote: 
In reference to this topic I believe the position of the Church is clearly outlined in a number of places. Those of most recent vintage are:

I) The documentation produced by the Holy See during the famous Father Feeney case in Boston in the 1950s.
2) Vatican II’s Lumen Gentium.
3) Father Maurice Eminyan’s articles on this topic in the New Catholic Encyclopedia.
4) Various references to Salvation in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (The Second Edition, from the Latin text, is the better translation.)
5) The Declaration of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Dominus Jesus (August 6, 2000). 
A reading of the references provided above for me would confirm that Bishops Boland is affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as did Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

1) 'The documentation produced by the Holy See during the famous Father Feeney case in Boston in the 1950s.'This document, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mentions the dogma, the infallible teaching. The dogma indicates all non Catholics in Boston need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. So this documentation supported Fr. Leonard Feeney .It no where mentions that he was excommunicated for heresy.The excommunication was lifted without him having to recant his teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. http://www.catholicism.org/downloads/Peter_Vere_SBC.pdf
( 2) Vatican II’s Lumen Gentium.

Vatican’s Lumen Gentium also supports Fr. Leonard Feeney in LG 14 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

Lumen Gentium 16 refers to those who can be saved in invincible ignorance. This is not an exception to the dogma since we do not know any explicit case of someone saved in invincible ignorance. We accept the possibility of such salvation but know that the ordinary means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (LG 14).

3) Various references to Salvation in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (The Second Edition, from the Latin text, is the better translation.)

The Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846 says all need to enter the Church ‘as through a door’; the Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood.

CCC 846 says all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. This includes those who have received the baptism of water with Catholic Faith and those who are saved through the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc and are known only to God. Those who are saved through the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the dogma, they do not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

4. The Declaration of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Dominus Jesus (August 6, 2000).

Dominus Iesus 20 tells us that Jesus died for all however for all people to receive this salvation they need to enter the Catholic Church. The Church is necessary for salvation. This also is an affirmation of the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible statement’.

Daphne McLeod, Chairman, Pro Ecclesia et Pontefice, England has said that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.She is saying that the Catholic Church teaches before and after Vatican Council II that all non Catholics with no exception need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. This was also what she was taught as a young girl.
 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/non-catholics-can-be-saved-in.html

The Church's position on this issue is clear.It is the same as that of Fr.Leonard Feeney, the Church Fathers, popes, Councils and saints. It is supported by Vatican Council II and magisterial documents before and after Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades

CATHOLIC HERALD, DAILY TELEGRAPH CENSORSHIP OF THE DOGMA CONTROVERSY: NO ADS ACCEPTED

The issue is the Eucharist-does every one with no exception need to receive the Eucharist to avoid Hell?

Does everyone need to receive the Eucharist to avoid Hell? Yes. The Sacraments are needed for all people for salvation. There could be some people in certain conditions and times who cannot receive the Eucharist. However in general this Sacrament is needed for salvation. (John 6).

Does every one need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water with no exception ?Yes, everyone with no exception.( Vatican Council II, Dominus Iesus, Council of Trent, Council of Florence etc).

The Eucharist is only given to those who have received the Sacrament of baptism and the other necessary Sacraments. Non Catholics and Catholics in mortal sin are not given the Eucharist. They are on the way to Hell if they die immediately.

This teaching was not accepted by the Staff of the Catholic Herald, U.K about the time the pope visited England.It was not even accepted as a paid announcement (Daily Times, U.K). It was a difficult teaching for Damian Thompson, Editor of Telegraph Blogs and a leader writer for the Daily Telegraph.They could not even believe that this was the teaching of the Catholic Church. Now Daphne McLeod, Chairman of Pro Ecclesia et Pontefice, England has said that there can be non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and with the baptism of desire and this is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam null salus.

No one is commenting on her statement at the Catholic Herald or the Daily Telegraph,U.K. It is easier to pretend that non Catholics can be saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and these cases are explicitly known to us and so they contradict the dogma. It is much easier to say that these theoretically acceptable cases are the defacto ordinary means of salvation for all non Catholics. This is no threat to the bank balance.

The Church has not changed its teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus as Catholics in the media would conveniently like us to believe. If it had changed, it would be changing the Church’s teaching on the Eucharist.

Daphne McLeod is saying that the Church still teaches as in the 1930’s and 40’s when she was in school, that outside the Church there is no salvation and there is the need of missionaries. This is still the teaching of magisterial texts in Vatican Council II and after Vatican Council II. So the Catholic journalists are denying the Faith and a Catholic dogma and they consider it a virtue, important for peace. Irenicism, is the sin of denying the truth or giving up principles for the sake of peace and survival.-Lionel Andrades

Photo of Damian Thompson, Editor of Telegraph Blogs and a leader writer for the Daily Telegraph.

TIMES U.K BLOCKS ‘CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES ROWAN WILLIAMS ON WAY TO HELL’ ADVERTISEMENT

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/09/times-uk-blocks-catholic-church-teaches.html#links