eucharistandmission: Dec 25, 2022

Sunday, December 25, 2022

Catechism review

FROM THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 1258

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 1259

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 1260

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 846

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 847

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 848

-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/03/there-are-two-interpretations-of-nicene.html

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FALSE PREMISE DEFINED

Their false premise is:-

1. Invisible people are visible.

2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.

3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.

4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.

5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.

6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).

7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.

8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.

9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.

10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/bradley-eli-at-church-militant-tv-uses.html

With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-

1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.

2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.

3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.

6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.

7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/cardinal-reinhold-marx-of-munich.html
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JUNE 23, 2020

Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reasoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.It is practical. There obviously are no known cases of the baptism of desire (BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) in 2017.So there are no practical exceptions to EENS.Neither was BOD,BOB and I.I an exception to Feeneyite EENS in 1949 when the Letter of the Holy Office was issued to the Archbishop of Boston. The cardinals made an objective mistake.Similarly mentioning BOD and I.I in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) relative to the traditional teaching on salvation was superflous.

Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning.It assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.

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SEPTEMBER 10, 2016

If the magisterium avoids the error Vatican Council II , Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and Catechism of the Catholic Church can be interpreted with rational and traditional Feeneyism :it's a return to the old ecclesiology

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/if-magisterium-avoids-error-vatican.html

In the hierarchy of values of Pope John Paul II, we are dealing with first class heresy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/04/on-hierarchy-of-values-of-pope-john.html

"Thanks for providing this! God bless the Society!", " I agree with much of what Lionel says" http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/thanks-for-providing-this-god-bless.html

The Nicene Creed was changed with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mistake : it was approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/the-nicene-creed-was-changed-with.html

DECEMBER 15, 2017

Pledge of Fidelity Signatories and I interpret the Nicene Creed differently

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/pledge-of-fidelity-signatories-and-i.html

JULY 3, 2017

The bottom line is that we are all reciting the Nicene Creed but there are two different interpretations

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-bottom-line-is-that-we-are-all.html

SEPTEMBER 10, 2016

The Vatican Curia interprets the Nicene Creed with irrational Cushingism : 'I believe in three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins.'

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-vatican-curia-interprets-nicene.html

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OCTOBER 18, 2018

We have two interpretations of the Nicene Creed-mine and that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the SSPX, F.I, FSSP etc.

We have two interpretations of the Nicene Creed. There is my interpretation and that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the SSPX, F.I, FSSP etc.

The Nicene Creed. says ' I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.For me it refers to one known baptism, the baptism of water.

For the others it is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms and they are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood etc, all without the baptism of water'. This is why the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are EXCEPTIONS to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There are exceptions since for them there are known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church.If there were no personally known cases how could there be exceptions?

In the Nicene Creed we refer to the Holy Spirit.For me the Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church to teach outside the Church there is no salvation. For others, the Holy Spirit guides the Church to teach that outside the Church there is known salvation.

In the Nicene Creed we refer to the one Holy , Catholic and Apostolic Church which for me says outside the Church there is no salvation. For the traditionalists, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation except for the cases of the baptism of desire etc.So outside the Church there is salvation. There are known people saved outside the Church. In other words the baptism of desire etc refer to known people saved outside the Church. If they were invisible cases they could not be exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So they were visible cases for Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Lefebvre. So until today for the SSPX, F.I, FSSP and sedevacantists there are visible exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

I interpret the Nicene Creed traditionally.Practically we cannot see a BOD, BOB and I.I. case. Literally there is no baptism of desire for us human beings. 1

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/cushingites-pope-paul-vi-and-archbishop.html

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