Sunday, January 10, 2016

They assumed that the baptism of desire referred to a case of someone saved outside the Church then they inferred that the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 AFFIRMS THE DOGMA HERE:
We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemn judgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949

EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
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'WHO KNOWING?': WHY MENTION THIS ? WE DON'T KNOW WHO KNOWS OR DOES NOT KNOW. ONLY GOD CAN KNOW THIS.
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949

WHAT HAS THIS THEOLOGY TO DO WITH EENS? THERE ARE NO SUCH KNOWN CASES.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949

Letter of the Holy Office 1949 : from meaningless non applicable theology to heresy

THE DOGMA : EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949

MEANINGLESS, NON APPLICABLE THEOLOGY
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949

THEOLOGY OF NON EXISTENT, UNKNOWN CASES: WHY IS THIS THEOLOGY MENTIONED WITH REFERENCE TO EENS ? WHY IS IT PLACED HERE ?
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949

THE RESULT : HERESY. MAGISTERIAL HERESY.
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949
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VAGUE CHRISTOLOGY REPLACES EXCLUSIVIST ECCLESIOLOGY
Theology based on zero cases in our reality; based on non existing cases is mentioned with reference to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as an exception to all needing to enter the Church. They did not know of any one saved outside the Church. Yet they postulated that there are such cases.They assumed that the baptism of desire referred to a case of someone saved outside the Church then they inferred that the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They first made a mistake and then consolidated the error.Traditionalists and sedevacantists are using this same Cushing theology.They reject the exclusivist ecclesiology. It is replaced with a vague Christology, on the need for Christ for salvation with the exclusion of membership in the Catholic Church.


WHY NOT 'ALWAYS REQUIRED'? WHERE ARE THE KNOWN EXCEPTIONS?
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949

O.K BUT WHAT HAS THIS TO DO WITH THE DOGMA. THEORETICAL, HYPOTHETICAL CASES? WHY MENTION THIS THEOLOGY?
However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.-
Letter of the Holy Office 1949

SUPERFLOUS THEOLOGY. WE DON'T KNOW ANY SUCH CASE IN REAL LIFE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOGMA.
These things are clearly taught in that dogmatic letter which was issued by the Sovereign Pontiff, Pope Pius XII, on June 29, 1943, (AAS, Vol. 35, an. 1943, p. 193 ff.). For in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and those who are united to the Church only by desire.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE IN PERSONAL CASES.
Toward the end of this same encyclical letter, when most affectionately inviting to unity those who do not belong to the body of the Catholic Church, he mentions those who "are related to the Mystical Body of the Redeemer by a certain unconscious yearning and desire," and these he by no means excludes from eternal salvation, but on the other hand states that they are in a condition "in which they cannot be sure of their salvation" since "they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church" (AAS, 1. c., p. 243).-Letter of the Holy Office 1949

WHETHER THEY ARE EXCLUDED OR NOT WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE CASES.
With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from eternal salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire...-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
-Lionel Andrades

The initial fault of there being known salvation outside the Church is responsible for all this theological innovation

Comment on Vox Cantoris' blog post Rome's blasphemy confirmed by Pope Leo XIII


http://voxcantor.blogspot.it/2016/01/romes-blasphemy-confirmed-by-pope-leo.html

The new theology is based on the baptism of desire being explicit, visible in personally known cases in the present times.The blogger at Toronto Catholic Witness has accepted this.
The new theology is based on invincible ignorance cases ( through no fault of their own) who are objectively seen and known in  particular cases in the present times.The Toronto Catholic Witness  has accepted this irrationality too.
So there is no exclusivist ecclesiology any more for him.There is known salvation outside the Church for him.This is his Cushingite theology.
He has accepted the false premise ( visible cases of people in Heaven saved with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water) and false inference ( so the baptism of desire is an exception to the old ecclesiology) .This is how he interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church.It is the same as Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis.

He writes:
The video claims the adherents to false religions are believers. No, they are not, properly understood. A believer is one who has the Faith which is, as the Catechism teaches: "... is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him".
Lionel:
Yes but the Toronto Catholic Witness accepts that there is salvation outside the Church. He accepts that all do not need to be formal members of the Church for salvation. He accepts that all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church and so every one does not need to be a 'card carrying member' of the Church. So the liberals would reason that those who are saved outside the Church i.e without faith and baptism, are given ' a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him'.
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He quotes the Catechism:
No 153. When St. Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus declared to him that this revelation did not come "from flesh and blood", but from "my Father who is in heaven". 24 Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him. "Before this faith can be exercised, man must have the grace of God to move and assist him; he must have the interior helps of the Holy Spirit, who moves the heart and converts it to God, who opens the eyes of the mind and 'makes it easy for all to accept and believe the truth.'"
Lionel: 
So the blogger accepts there is salvation outside the Church. Being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and blood( without the baptism of water) is acceptable to him.So the gift of Faith is given outside the Church?

No 161. Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation. Since "without faith it is impossible to please [God]" and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life; But he who endures to the end.
Lionel:
So since there is salvation outside the Church we have the basis for the new theology and the new ecumenism.Protestants are saved outside the Church.May be one , may be two, may be more. 
This could also be the basis of a new inter religious dialogue. Muslims are saved through Jesus and the Church, outside the visible limits of the Catholic Church.
The initial fault of there being known salvation outside the Church is responsible for all this theological innovation.

There is a rational alternative but Toronto Catholic Witness is not aware of it.
-Lionel Andrades



Toronto Catholic Witness uses same theology as Pope Francis and the liberal Curia http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/toronto-catholic-witness-uses-same.html

TORONTO CATHOLIC WITNESS
Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus when the irrational inference is avoided.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/catechism-of-catholic-church-affirms.html

Toronto Catholic Witness uses same theology as Pope Francis and the liberal Curia

Comment on Vox Cantoris' blogpost  Rome's blasphemy confirmed by Pope Leo XIII

The Toronto Catholic Witness is using the same theology as Pope Francis and the liberal Curia. He is not aware of it.He is interpreting the Catechism (1992) with Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism.
So he asks where is Jesus in all this and does not ask where is the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church, in all this.
His ecclesiology is not exclusivist but vague and indirectly supporting the new ecumenism, based on known salvation outside the Catholic Church.
He assumes there is known salvation outside the Church and so does not comment on CCC 1257 and 846 which the liberals interpret irrationality.
-Lionel Andrades

Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus when the irrational inference is avoided
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/catechism-of-catholic-church-affirms.html



http://voxcantor.blogspot.it/2016/01/romes-blasphemy-confirmed-by-pope-leo.html

Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus when the irrational inference is avoided.

TORONTO CATHOLIC WITNESS
Why do you cite the Catechism of the Catholic Church( 1992).1 You know the liberals, the Jesuits and Pope Benedict would tell you that the Catechism says God is not limited to the Sacraments( 1257) and all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church (846). So there is salvation outside the Church.Even the SSPX accepts this.Even the sedevacantists accept this.So there is salvation outside the Church for most Catholics and all do not need to be ' card carrying members' of the Church.
So this video is in accord with this new theology.
You have not found fault with the new theology.
Am I correct? You accept it.So you are quoting the Catechism and not affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr. Leonard Feeney, St. Robert Bellarmine and the Church Councils.
YES the Catechism contradicts Pope Francis and his Curia but not for the reason you mentioned. In fact you have not affirmed the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So I assume you also use Cushingism as a theology,as does the present magisterium.

We can interpret the Catechisms and Vatican Council II without the oversight of the magisterium
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/we-can-interpret-catechisms-and-vatican.html


The Catechism and Vatican Council II are Feeneyite if you avoid the false premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/the-catechism-and-vatican-council-ii.html

NO DENIAL FROM THE USCCB: IRRATIONALITY BEING USED IN ALL THE U.S DIOCESES IN THE INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/no-denial-from-usccb-irrationality.html

Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church : no contradiction
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/catechism-of-catholic-church-affirms.html

Deacon Nick Donnellly's CCRS Course omits important point of the Catechism of the Catholic Church
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/04/deacon-nick-donnelllys-ccrs-course.html

-Lionel Andrades

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http://torontocatholicwitness.blogspot.ca/2016/01/pope-francis-video-condemned-by.html