Saturday, November 19, 2011

CANDIDATES WITH A RELIGIOUS VOCATION IN ENGLAND HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS VISIBLE TO THEM

The Vocation Director of Southwark, England Fr. Stephen Langley has said that candidates with a religious vocation to the diocese would have to accept the doctrine extra ecclesiam nulla salus ‘but the doctrine should not be interpreted in the narrow Feenyite sense’.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/vocation-director-in-southwarkengland.html

Young Catholics in England would have to say that everyone needs to enter the Church for salvation in the present times but there could be exceptions like those saved with the baptism of desire. The baptism of desire  is assumed to be visible and so is an exception to the dogma.The dogma indicates everyone needs to be an explicit, visible member of the church to go to Heaven.

If the baptism of desire was implicit for candidates it would not contradict the dogma, it would not be an exception. Since it is allegedly explicitly known, it is an exception to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation. Candidates with a vocation would be accepted who presumably could 'spot' these rare exceptional cases.

The Vocation Director at Southwark also has implied that the Catholic Church has condemned the ‘narrow Feenyite sense’. However there is no ‘condemnation’ mentioned in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office  referred to ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible statement’. The dogma like the popes, Church Councils and saints indicate that all non Catholics in Boston,USA, Southwark and the rest of England need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell. This was exactly the teaching of Fr. Leonard Feeney who was not excommunicated for heresy but for disobedience. The excommunication was lifted by the Church without him having to recant.http://www.scribd.com/doc/25059967/Peter-Vere-Canon-Lawyer-on-the-status-of-those-who-hold-Fr-Leonard-Feeney-s-Doctrinal-Position
So candidates with a religious vocation in England would have to accept that Fr. Leonard Feeney was ‘condemned’ for holding the same view as the popes, including Pope Pius XII, who referred to 'the dogma', the saints and the dogma itself.A postulant with the Mother Teresa’s Sisters here in Rome calls all this ‘a mystery’.

There are Catholic religious communities in the USA , in the diocese of Worcester, Manchester, who teach that Fr. Leonard Feeney was not excommunicated for heresy. Pope Pius XII supported him on doctrine..The baptism of desire is implicit and so is not visible to us.These religious communities are recognized by the Catholic Church and they welcome young people with a vocation.

Lionel Andrades




 
 

BROTHER ANDRE MARIE AVAILABLE FOR TALKS ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/brother-andre-marie-available-for-talks.html#links


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