Tuesday, October 2, 2012

YEAR OF THE FAITH: VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION

Cardinal Agostino Vallini, Vicar General in Rome for His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus when he says that baptism is necessary for salvation (1).The General Chancellor of the St. John Lateran University Rome is saying.for salvation, non Catholics need the baptism of water which is given to adults with Catholic Faith.

There are no exceptions of implicit desire,invincible igbnorance or a good conscience to contradict the Vicar General since we do not know  of any such case in 2012, in the Year of Faith.

Cardinal Valliani is expressing the teachings of Vatican Council II which state all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (Ad Gentes 7). (2) This is in agreement with ‘the dogma’ the ‘infallible teaching’ which Pope Pius XII mentioned with reference to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.(3)

The dogma is based on  John 3:5 on the necessity of baptism and Mark 16: 16 on the necessity of the church. Mark 9:38-40 on those who are not visible members of the Church (community) and not against us does not contradict Mark 16:16 those who do not beleive will be condemned.

The Bible nor the Letter of the Holy Office or Vatican Council II (LG 16) contradicts Cardinal Agostino Vaillani, since we do not know any one in 2012 who is an exception, 'who is not against us and is saved'. We cannot name anyone today saved with implicit desire, invincible ignorance or a good conscience.There may not be a single case over the last 100 years.

There are no exceptions of implicit desire, invincible ignorance, seeds of the Word, elements of sanctification, imperfect communion with the church or 'good and holy' non Catholics saved, and who are known to us personally.They  are known only to God.

Vatican Council II (AG 7) also says outside the church there is no salvation. It says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (AG 7). ALL .Protestants have the baptism of water but do not have Catholic Faith.According to Vatican Council II (AG 7) the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams is oriented to Hell unless he converts into the Catholic Church.He does not have access to the Sacrament of Confession and cannot receive the Eucharist.He knows about the Church and yet does not enter, according to Lumen Gentium 14 he is on the way to Hell unless he converts before death. 

Ad Gentes 7 indicates all Protestants need Catholic Faith for salvation. AG 7 is not contradicted by Lumen Gentium 16 (4) since we do not know any one  saved in invincible ignorance etc.Neither does the Council claim that these cases are known in the present times.We accept them as possibilities. De facto we can never know the  dead saved who are now visible as in Heaven.


Lumen Gentium16 is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus defined by three Church Councils.So the liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II is false.


The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston supported Fr.Leonard Feeney when it mentiond ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’. The text of the ‘the dogma’ supports Fr.Leonard Feeney since it does not mention any ‘exceptions’.


If the Letter assumed that implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance etc were explicit exceptions to the dogma then it made an objective mistake . We do not know anyone on earth, dead and saved and who are exceptions to the dogma or to Fr.Leonard Feeney’s understanding of the dogma.


 We cannot see the deceased saved, for them to be exceptions. This was the error of Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits at Boston.They assumed that implicit desire was an exception to the dogma.

Superficially it may appear that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma and many Catholics make this mistake.So in the Year of the Faith we can avoid this error and affirm the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus being in accord with Vatican Council II.


We can have two interpretations of Vatican Council II. One with the visible dead on earth theory and the other without it.One interpretation is rational (without the visible dead claim) and with the hermeneutic of continuity . The other is irrational and with a break from Tradition.One affirms the dogma on salvation, the writings of St.Robert Bellarmine and the Syllabus of Errors. The other is heretical, it denies a defined dogma with ‘exceptions’.


So affirm the Faith, outside of which there is no salvation and in which all people need to enter visibly (with faith and baptism) to avoid Hell and to go to Heaven (for salvation). This is Vatican Council II without the claim of being able to see 'ghosts' in 2012-2013. We can affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma along with implicit desire . This is possible for all Catholics, lay and religious-Lionel Andrades.
1.
Concretamente, la pastorale del battesimo dei bambini dovrà ispirarsi a due grandi principi, di cui il secondo è subordinato al primo: 1) il battesimo, necessario alla salvezza, è il segno e lo strumento dell’amore preveniente di Dio che libera dal peccato e comunica la partecipazione alla vita divina: per sé, il dono di questi beni non deve essere differito ai bambini. 2) Devono essere prese della garanzie perché tale dono possa svilupparsi mediante una vera educazione alla fede e nella vita cristiana, sicché il sacramento possa raggiungere pienamente la sua realtà”.

http://www.vicariatusurbis.org/wp-content/themes/abba/DOCUMENTI/Cardinale/VALLINI/ConvegnoEcclesialeDiocesano2012RelazioneCardVallini.doc

CARDINAL AGOSTINO VALLINI, VICAR GENERAL FOR THE HOLY FATHER IN ROME HAS SAID THAT BAPTISM IS NECESSARY FOR SALVATION
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/cardinal-agostino-vallini-vicar-general.html#links

2.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.


3.
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.


However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (Emphasis added)

“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:


◦“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)


◦“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

◦“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation

4.
Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God. In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues. But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator.-Lumen Gentium 16



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